Non-return valves - Lessons learned

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Do check them when out regurlarly!!!!

Basically, when we moved the boat to the new marina in Inverness, we are at a river mouth ( Ness)... this is majority fresh water, so boat sits deeper when laden, than what she used to in salt water.

This leaves the main capacity bilge pump (Rule 5000) outlet at stern effectively below the water line. During cleanup after the engine work a couple of weeks ago, the pump kicked in (as one would expect). Not thinking more about it, we left the boat all being well......

Upon arrival on Sunday, I happened to notice something un-expected ....our domestic batteries were flat..., so charger on and started to sort out bedding etc., but heard an electric motor switching on ..... from the stern.... looking down in the bilges ... &*£$% ... more than a foot of water down there !!!

Pump going and I tasted the water.. which was fresh ... so immediately I dismissed what we were floating in... as habbit said Fresh water = watertank, or rainwater... (un-likely with the weather we've had).

Long search for that illusive watertank pipe leak... which could not be found... but the wet stuff could not be found forwards :( ... So went to stern again .. where more water had appeared .... Doooh .. we're on a river !! Rudders, Shafts everything was checked, but noting found... lifted the Rule 5000 pump and water came out....

Basically, have a lift from lower bilge to water level of approx 1M, but over the valve the 1" hose goes up to a 2ft swan-neck up & down to non-return valve and out through ball valve and hull fitting. Non-return valve contaminated by debris made for the larger drop to bilge, overcome the 2ft swan neck as outlet now is completely under water, and no air is sucked up ... in effect a nice gravity fed syphon filling the boat up nicely!!!!

So rapid fix, bung in hull fitting from outside, dismantle the valves and swapping the non-return unit out. Then fitting a new non return valve onto pump end as well as a failsafe.

That is only a temporary fix I believe, as I think I need to install a anti-syphon kit and lead the air pipe up (can lead it up about 1.5M above deck level). Any thoughts from the learned readers in here?
 
I don't have a non return valve on my bilge, went to install one but before I did I done some googling and to my surprise they don't recommend them to be fittied, a lot of the boat forums uk and America all said don't use a non return valve, the main reason they all said that had issue in the jamming up of the one way baffle in side the valve from debris

So for for this reason I have not used one, don't know others opinion is but I would rather get the bilge water out I think the ntvalve sound like big trouble
 
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None other than raise the outlet so it's never immersed. I know that can give staining on the topsides but which do you prefer, sinky boat with immaculate topside or floaty boat with dribbly stain?

Can do that, and without staining hull.... can move outlet up to15 Cm above water level, in to the external exhaust duct ... but I still have to block off the old one, which cannot be done practically in water... Perhaps my question should have been if an anti-syphon device is a realistic alternative??
 
An anti-syphon would be fine as long as it's checked once in a while, annually or maybe every 6 months if you don't winter ashore.

Would putting the outlet in the duct not back fill it with smutty water? :D
 
An anti-syphon would be fine as long as it's checked once in a while, annually or maybe every 6 months if you don't winter ashore.

Would putting the outlet in the duct not back fill it with smutty water? :D

OK.. thanks...

If I move it, I will fit a 90 degre bend, so it will match the exhaust/water flow.... and as the exhaust duct is about a 25 Cm square, I do not think it is any chance of being overfilled... then there is the non-return valves and swan neck of course..... think a anti-syphon will be easier to fit. :)
 
Alf,

assuming exit is in the middle of the transom just under the bathing platform, I do have 4 holes (one on top of the other, two bottom blocked or with pipes going up and being blocked!)

I'd personally, drill another hole just under the bathing platform for the bilge water and have a trip to the sea (so that it moves up) in order to block the original hole properly above w/l ;)

Now, if sea is two days away, dunno, I'd block that for sure and still use another exit. Messing in the engine exhaust tunnel I don't know, not yet dismantled mine to understand the geometry of it, doubt it is going to be any reversing going on...

V.
 
Basically, have a lift from lower bilge to water level of approx 1M, but over the valve the 1" hose goes up to a 2ft swan-neck up & down to non-return valve and out through ball valve and hull fitting. Non-return valve contaminated by debris made for the larger drop to bilge, overcome the 2ft swan neck as outlet now is completely under water, and no air is sucked up ... in effect a nice gravity fed syphon filling the boat up nicely!!!!
I had the same problem on my boat recently when the fresh water tank leaked into the bilges. I couldn't understand why the brand new bilge pump under the water tank was not clearing the water despite whirring away. Turns out that it was a non return valve in the discharge hose which was stuck closed. Bit scary really if it had been an external leak
 
Not drilling anywhere this year .... may do so at wintertime when on dry (planning to this year). This year I'll fit anti-syphon at top of swan-neck, which is 60Cm above waterlevel... Leading air supply up to cupboard on port side of flybridge ladder. (that will give a possibility to have air supply from 3 M above waterlevel, which should be enough to stop overpressure from pump to cause overflow in hose).

Today outlet is just below exhaust bend, about 2M from stern... which was a couple of Cm above waterlevel, and can bring this back to side and top of exhaust channel.... 20 Cm above waterlevel, and 20 Cm inside exhaust , rather than stern of boat... Something to ponder over during the winter I believe...
 
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