New / Used - which?

ChrisP

Member
Joined
21 Aug 2001
Messages
777
Location
South East England
Visit site
Used
Somebody else has taken the inital value loss and they usually have added lots of stuff that would be horrendously expensive if you have to start from scratch on the new boat. Unless of course you are in the enviable position of MattS.
 

ccscott49

Active member
Joined
7 Sep 2001
Messages
18,583
Visit site
I agree! There is always a bunch of gear, even fenders and warps are valuble, you wouldn't believe how much money can be eaten up! Plus engines etc, run in and checked over. The only thing I feel, that is really important and a money eater on powerful motor boats is the engines, they need a good looking at, not just by a survetyor, but an engineer form the manufacturers!
 

BarryD

New member
Joined
10 Sep 2001
Messages
1,388
Location
Bathtub
Visit site
As if I could afford New! Used - for the reasons given by others - the boat in basic form drops at least 20% (bye-bye VAT) and you normally get a lot of the kit added free-gratis (electronics, fenders @ £25 each etc..). And it's been run and used so anyhting that is going to fall off will have fallen off.

If you've got "new" boat money then for my money would be the demonstrator - you get nearly new, used, well looked after and normally with some up-specing of kit. Plus all the normal dealer / builder warranties.
 
G

Guest

Guest
I think I would go for motorboat - new and sailboat -used. Sailboats are much more "what you see is what you get", and there isn't a massive concentration of loot in the engine, which mite be ok cos new, or mite be not ok cos not used enuf.

Mind, you, so far you all seem to be saying that you'd only have a *just* secondhand boat, not an ancient heap.
 
G

Guest

Guest
With the money I spent on my last boat I could have bought new, but not the size/spec required, with the available cash, therefore it had to be used (same as very many other people I would guess).

This said if Camelot get their finger out with my 6 numbers I am sure I would be looking at a new something.

Looking at other postings it seems that the majority would go used, which prompts me to think where are all the nearly new used boats of the future going to come from?
 
G

Guest

Guest
ah but I hear yours all lovely teakified, cscott. And barryD's is bomb-proof. We can't have a row about this: 2ndhandies need newies to buy the things and pay all the vat, and newies need secondhandies to buy the things later. also , of course there should be more 2ndhandies than newies.
 

KevB

Active member
Joined
4 Jul 2001
Messages
11,268
Location
Kent/Chichester
Visit site
Buying new removes the hassle of selling your old boat if you have one. I've just bought new and am more than happy with the deal - a good trade in offer for my old boat and lots of extras thrown in with the new one.

I guess it all depends on the deal you get, in my case the benefit of having all the warranty and getting BRAND NEW out weighs the difference in cost of getting an "old" boat.

Some say buying second hand means the previous owner has had all the teething problems and that's fine as long as it wasn't the previous owner that caused them, then you have to worry what else may go wrong at your expense.

Next time I buy a boat maybe the benefit of buying an older boat (size/cost) will out weigh that of buying new. It's all down to whether you feel you have got what you want at the price you want.

As someone else here is quite keen on saying........

"You pays your money, you takes your choice"
 

jfm

Well-known member
Joined
16 May 2001
Messages
23,885
Location
Jersey/Antibes
Visit site
Recent-new is good IMHO provided you are really making saving. People here talk about "new owner paid the VAT" which implies recent-2nd hand is 15% off the new price. But is it? - in another thread people were talking about sizeable discounts off list price on new boats.

Also dont compromise the spec (model, colour, right kit etc). Getting nearly new and 20% off (or whatever) is a good deal if the boat is the one you wd have bought if you were buying new. But if there are compromises as well (like it's not exactly the model you want, or wrong colour, etc) then IMHO you're not really getting as big a discount as the numbers suggest

Anyway Piers, wotya gonna buy...?!
 
G

Guest

Guest
Re: Piers\' new boat : The hidden question!!

likely: nothing: a newer 42: a V50.

very possible: Failine v52.targa 48, v55.


come on Piers, tell all!
 

Piers

Well-known member
Joined
2 Jun 2001
Messages
3,595
Location
Guernsey, Channel Islands
www.playdeau.com
Re: Piers\' new boat : The visible clues!!

I'll tell you when I've bought her....currently looking at 5 different makes.

Criteria must include good space for two couples for a long cruise (up to a month at a time); super-sonic or sub-sonic doesn't matter, provided everyone enjoys the passage making (but please not too slow....); ability to explore more distant places apart from the Channel, e.g., up to Norway, down to the med....

Early retirement might just be happening next Spring....yippee!

Ideas?

Piers du Pre
MBM Cruising Club enthusiast
 
G

Guest

Guest
Re: mindreading

So,
Princess V50
Cranchi 50 foot
Fairline t52
Sealine 48 possibly
summink else

all of which hardly yet available just 2nd hand, cept the v50. Now all we need is a name

Gone H'eaum
Five Eau
Eau shit
Lymingt'eaun
...s'eau on
 

Piers

Well-known member
Joined
2 Jun 2001
Messages
3,595
Location
Guernsey, Channel Islands
www.playdeau.com
Re: mindreading

Hi Matts - A 50 footer seems the right size - any longer and marina space seems somewhat of a no go. Saw a Princess 56 being turned away from St Peter Port last season. 'You're too big' was the comment form the HM.

And certainly many of the ports I visited this year said much the same thing. Either book well in advance (although some don't take advance bookings) or take extreme pot luck.

By the way, loved the name ideas, especially Eau shit....

I also intend looking at some of the Trawler style boats - comments?

Piers du Pre
MBM Cruising Club enthusiast
 
G

Guest

Guest
Re: speed? JohnR?

I don't know'em. The Grand banks stuff, yes? Always lots of lovely room, good for looking out of in so-so weather. need very decent aircon and a proper place tio sit out plus biminis for med. that JohnR has had a few er so to speak...
 
Top