New Toys - Jetski project.

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This is a bit of a long post but anyone considering more toys, may find it interesting.

As most of you know, we berth at Sant Carles with a fantastic lagoon right outside the marina.
I'm always looking for new things to do and we often find ourselves sitting in the sunshine with a bottle or two of cheap Spanish Cava wondering what to do next.

A group of us have often thought of going back to our roots and bringing a few sailing dinghies out to Spain but we couldn't decide what class would be best for all of us. I even have an old Hurricane catamaran hanging in the roof of my garage at home in Devon and I thought that it would be fun to take it down for use in the lagoon.

This is my Hurricane

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Storage would have been a bit of a problem and the marina offered use of the boatyard but catamarans, by nature, occupy a large amount of space and I thought that the cost of storage would outweigh the amount of fun that we would get.

A number of berth holders at Sant Carles have bought larger and sometimes quite powerful speed boats for use on the lagoon which are mainly kept on floating docks. Some store them in the boatyard over winter and keep them in the water when they want to use them.

Although our Walker Bay dinghy has a good powerful outboard, it can't keep up with some of the bigger speedboats and Jetribs. It is a great "all rounder" but it might be fun to have something with better performance.

So, after some careful thought, I decided to scrap the idea of transporting the Hurricane to Spain but, instead I thought it might be fun to include a Jetski amongst Jennywren's toys. There seemed to be room on the bathing platform and I've also seen Jetskis stored on some flybridges.

Late last summer, Timbad (from this forum) had invited us down to Torquay for an afternoon to play with his Jetski so I started by talking to him. It turned out that he was looking to sell his Jetski. If you search these forums, you will see that I have a particular problem with the reliability of jet powered craft - especially Jetribs. I've always seen them as great fun but a huge responsibility when they go wrong. Tim's Seadoo RXT Jetski had a history that I could trust. It seems that this particular model has ceramic washers designed into the supercharger that have a tendency to disintegrate and subsequently damage the entire engine. The supercharger washers on Tim's Jetski had been replaced with titanium ones when it was very new to avoid this problem. So after a little negotiation, I bought Tim's Jetski and we picked it up just before Christmas.

The very next day, it was off to a specialist in Fareham to strip down, rebuild the supercharger and generally give it a full service. It seems that Seadoo give the old (modified) supercharger about 100 hours before rebuilding whereas any superchargers rebuilt with the latest new kits are given 200 hours. So this done, it was just down to the cosmetics (a few gel coat knocks), delivery to Spain and fitting to Jennywren.

It might have been more appropriate to have bought one of the new generation Seadoo Spark Jetskis - see here http://www.sea-doo.com/watercraft/sea-doo-spark.html
These skis are made from ABS plastic (similar to our Walker Bay dinghy) and have smaller engines so are much lighter but I'm sure they are no match for our 215HP RXT!!!

Our Walker Bay dinghy chocks can be fitted either on JW's flybridge or on her bathing platform.

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We use both.

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Most of the time, the dinghy is kept on the flybridge leaving the bathing platform for just that - bathing. But sometimes, particularly when moving anchorage, we get lazy and just lift the dinghy onto the bathing platform.
So, I decided to use the same type of fitting for the Jetski but I thought it might be a bit ambitious to fit the Jetski on the flybridge.
The final solution is that the dinghy can still be carried on either the flybridge or the bathing platform but the Jetski will only travel on the bathing platform. I think that the flybridge would be strong enough but I don't want to "push my luck".

The fixings for both the dinghy and the Jetski consist of a stainless steel disc with a hole recessed and matching stainless steel disc with a pin.

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I then made two additional chocks form Iroko (sometimes called "poor mans" teak). I also popped into our local Indespension shop (trailer spares shop) and bought some rubber trailer blocks which form an excellent pad when fitted onto the wood blocks for the Jetski's hull to rest on.

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Sorry, its is early in the season and JW's teak needs a good clean!!

Similar stainless steel discs with an M12 Dome Nut welded to the back were firmly bolted to the bathing platform.

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And an M12 eyebolt simply screws when required.

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Cross straps stop the Jetski moving laterally.

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I was intending on fitting a strap or two over the Jetski's seat but, in fact, it is so well tied down I don't think it is necessary.

Now to Lifting:-

Seadoo supply a special lifting straps like this

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But it seems to me that someone needs to hold the Seadoo straps in place whilst it is being lifted and I think that the Jetski would be likely to slide off.
So I fitted permanent rings into the strong part of the Seadoo.

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For actual lifting, I made up some webbing straps with carabinas - see above pic.

The end result is a safe Jetski cradle with tie down points that can be removed to give us back our bathing platform for "bathing".

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Initially, I planned to fit the Jetski the other way round but its bow got in the way of our passerelle.
Our passerelle withdraws away from sight when not in use.
You can just see the flap that covers it to the left of the Jetski.

Launching and Recovery:-

The crane spans both positions. Launching and recovery is done in JW's starboard aft quarter and swung into place as required.

Unfortunately, I didn't take any pics of the crane lifting the Jetski but here are some taken a few years ago of the dinghy launch/recovery.

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Finally, in this pic you can just see that we have also installed a separate plastic Jetski dock right next to JW's berth.
This means that when we are in our home berth, we will leave the Jetski on the plastic doc so that it is easy to launch and recover.
If we need to a quick nip out to the lagoon's restaurant on stilts for example.

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AND NOW TO THE FUN BIT

Here are a few pics taken last week out in the lagoon - note the weather - sun and flat seas - all whilst the UK was having huge storms!!!

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And a video clip showing just how powerful it is.



Even the short time that we have had so far, it seems that this project has been a success.
And I can't wait to get back down to Spain to have another go.

Anyway, I hope you find this interesting.
There should be a bit of everything in this report.

Any questions or comments - fire away!!
 

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Great post Hurricane. I think the jetski looks just right on your bathing platform, well thought out and well engineered.
Having been on a couple of jetskis myself, I'm very jealous of your new toy, the smile factor must be hard to hide.
 

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I had an RXP (2 seater version) a few years back and an amazing bit ok kit, I found was really economical for skiing and wake boarding and with 215hp there was no holding it back. I only kept mine until it had done about 40 hours but I remember the dealer had to fit the new washers in supercharger as a precaution before he sold it for me.
I found it good to go off on long trips with as well, even had a reasonable range.
 

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Great Allways fun in warm sun -tried kneeboarding ? Fairly easy most can do it -even guests after 2-3 attempts .
Sorry if " grandmar to suck eggs " but do flush it out with fresh after each use inc when parked on its new side berth .
Leave it overnight full of salt water = huge problems .
 

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Great Allways fun in warm sun -tried kneeboarding ? Fairly easy most can do it -even guests after 2-3 attempts .
Sorry if " grandmar to suck eggs " but do flush it out with fresh after each use inc when parked on its new side berth .
Leave it overnight full of salt water = huge problems .

Yep - agreed
Flushing is just one of the things to do.
On this model, there is a butterfly air valve on the air inlet side of the engine which can get exposed to the wind etc.
It has parts that can corrode so this model has a special tube fitted which can direct an aerosol lubricant onto the relevant parts.
So, as well as flushing, you have to connect up a can and give it a good long squirt of lubricant.
Other than that, I've also made a small extra cover to go over all it's stern bits in an attempt to keep the weather out.

All this in an attempt to keep it reliable.
 

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Great Allways fun in warm sun -tried kneeboarding ? Fairly easy most can do it -even guests after 2-3 attempts .
Sorry if " grandmar to suck eggs " but do flush it out with fresh after each use inc when parked on its new side berth .
Leave it overnight full of salt water = huge problems .

The good thing about the 215 engine is that its heat exchanger cooled, the plate under the jet is how its cooled, there's only sea water in exhaust
 

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Nice toy and interesting to see your friend on a mono ski,how quickly or easily does it
pull the mono skier up?
Thanks for posting John's mooring and as you may know we have agreed to rent
the berth.
Alan
 

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Nice toy and interesting to see your friend on a mono ski,how quickly or easily does it
pull the mono skier up?
Thanks for posting John's mooring and as you may know we have agreed to rent
the berth.
Alan

Yes - John told me that you have taken his berth.
It is only a few feet away from ours so when you get there we will be neighbors.
Introduce yourself if we are there when you arrive - there's always plenty of Spanish Cava in our fridge!!!

That was John on the video and the skier on the pics
He actually did a deep water start with two skies and then dropped one later so I don't know how well it will pull a mono skier from start.
However, I was driving the Jetski and it had plenty of power left when I pulled him out.

The book says that it is good for 70mph
There's a little "log type" wheel that shows the speed through the water.
John said that he got it to read 68 mph
I only got 60 mph out of it.
Very flat water in the lagoon that day though.

Mike
 

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It might have been more appropriate to have bought one of the new generation Seadoo Spark Jetskis - see here http://www.sea-doo.com/watercraft/sea-doo-spark.html
These skis are made from ABS plastic (similar to our Walker Bay dinghy) and have smaller engines so are much lighter but I'm sure they are no match for our 215HP RXT!!!

Mike,
I've just ordered one of those Sea Doo Sparks whilst at the London Boat Show, the 90hp with brake thingy. I'll let you know what it's like when it arrives in April. Stonking value for a new toy and hopefully fits in the garage of my Targa.

Andy
 

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It might have been more appropriate to have bought one of the new generation Seadoo Spark Jetskis - see here http://www.sea-doo.com/watercraft/sea-doo-spark.html
These skis are made from ABS plastic (similar to our Walker Bay dinghy) and have smaller engines so are much lighter but I'm sure they are no match for our 215HP RXT!!!

Mike,
I've just ordered one of those Sea Doo Sparks whilst at the London Boat Show, the 90hp with brake thingy. I'll let you know what it's like when it arrives in April. Stonking value for a new toy and hopefully fits in the garage of my Targa.

Andy

Yep - I saw them there as well.
It would be interesting to hear what you have to say about them.
It seems that they are considerably lighter.

It would also be good to hear how well that "brake thingy" works.
Close quarter maneuvering is quite difficult so I've also taken down some extra fenders to protect JW.
I was going to make a special fender out of some foam blocks and waterproof fabric.
My plan was to have a couple of 1800mm x 450mm x 75mm slabs that I would hang over the back of the bathing platform.
Other ideas that I researched would be difficult to stow when not in use.

I ended up buying 4 of these
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We rigged a couple when we were out on the lagoon that day and they worked really well.
I need to get back to the boat and spend some time making up ropes to tie them nicely to the back of the bathing platform.
 
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That was John on the video and the skier on the pics
He actually did a deep water start with two skies and then dropped one later so I don't know how well it will pull a mono skier from start.

A jet ski like that will pull up a mono skier from a deep water start no problem at all. The main problem with jet skis when used for mono-skiing is that the skier can pull the rear of the ski around when carving from side to side.
 

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A jet ski like that will pull up a mono skier from a deep water start no problem at all. The main problem with jet skis when used for mono-skiing is that the skier can pull the rear of the ski around when carving from side to side.

Yep - thats what we thought so were very careful
However there was no sign of that happening.
We will have to watch out for it though.

Actually, I'm really quite concerned that this is a bit of kit that can hurt someone if not managed safely.
 

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great thread hurricane looks like you are going to have loads of fun this year

I used to have a Yamaha gp800 and that would pull 2 people kneel boarding no problem we used to have so much fun pulling 2 people we used to see who could know the other person off it was great fun pulling yourself up the rope to get in front of your opponent then leaning to one side and spraying him with the boards wake oh how I miss being young again lol
 

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great thread hurricane looks like you are going to have loads of fun this year

I used to have a Yamaha gp800 and that would pull 2 people kneel boarding no problem we used to have so much fun pulling 2 people we used to see who could know the other person off it was great fun pulling yourself up the rope to get in front of your opponent then leaning to one side and spraying him with the boards wake oh how I miss being young again lol
A 15 hp outboard on your ribeye should do the trick Shawn :D
 

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It might have been more appropriate to have bought one of the new generation Seadoo Spark Jetskis - see here http://www.sea-doo.com/watercraft/sea-doo-spark.html
These skis are made from ABS plastic (similar to our Walker Bay dinghy) and have smaller engines so are much lighter but I'm sure they are no match for our 215HP RXT!!!

Mike,
I've just ordered one of those Sea Doo Sparks whilst at the London Boat Show, the 90hp with brake thingy. I'll let you know what it's like when it arrives in April. Stonking value for a new toy and hopefully fits in the garage of my Targa.

Andy

They look great, and half the weight of a traditional sit-down PWC. I expect we'll see a lot more jet skis on the back of mobos in the near future.
 

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Here are a few pics taken last week out in the lagoon - note the weather - sun and flat seas - all whilst the UK was having huge storms!!!
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I love this bit. I suppose you can pull a skier at some serious speed with that beast! Is it also ok for deepwater start with a mono?

That aside, re. your reply to my question on the other thread...
The "pole" definitely goes further than you can see - here it is in the lazerette.
I imagine that it is properly bonded right through to the hull
...I'm following up here for consistency.
And I must say that the crane setup looks well built indeed, chapeau to Princess.
 

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I love this bit. I suppose you can pull a skier at some serious speed with that beast! Is it also ok for deepwater start with a mono?

That aside, re. your reply to my question on the other thread...

...I'm following up here for consistency.
And I must say that the crane setup looks well built indeed, chapeau to Princess.


Oh yes - here are the pics from the other thread

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And on the water

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And I must say that the crane setup looks well built indeed, chapeau to Princess.

Apart from an unfortunate experience when RogerRat got stuck hanging on it :D:D (turned out to be a sticky valve), it has been reliable.
I can't remember what he was doing - maybe he can explain if he sees this thread.
(Sorry Roger - I couldn't resist posting the pic!!)

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Since then, I did get a small hydraulic leak once which was easily fixed and there is a poorly designed rubber seal which I have to keep pushing back into place.
Oh yes, and last summer the wire to the controller needed a bit of attention.
All simple maintenance though.


And this is the pic of the pole running through the lazerette after your comment.

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