New on YMS; anyone here who own´s a Huzar 21

[team OSD]

Intro;
We, as a family, call ourselves ´team OSD´. As a team we run our company and form the crew of our yacht ´Miss Peach´. We live in the Netherlands and sail on the ´big´ lakes like Randmeren, IJsselmeer and Markermeer.

Before I go any further; I like to apologize for spelling and grammar faults. To minimize this i´ll keep the writing simple and short as possible.

Our mini-yacht is a Huzar 21, approx 20 ft long, 8 or 9 ft wide and 2200 lb displacement. She´s build in 2008-2009 as first production ship. It´s the ´centre-board´ version. The rig is very ´2011´.

Since we don´t know any other ´H21´ users in our country I turn to users of YMS in search of more H21 user-information. We´re not very experienced sailors, and the boat is sometimes quite demanding.

We like to see how others crews manage this boat. And if they like; share information, since the manual is ´blank´ in the sailing chapters.

Our goal is to archive enough skills to sail very secure and let the boat perform at the best of its abilities. At that point of time we will alter the name ´Miss Peach´ into ´Princess Peach´.

Greetings D.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Don't know about the H21, but this is a very long running and painful story ...

http://www.channelpilot.info/prospero.php

Hope this boat was a one-off.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help but as far as I know they don't have a great reputation in the U.K.

 

[DJE]

There's one in our club. If you PM me your contact details I will pass them on to the owner.

 

[team OSD]

Indeed a painfull story.
I´m not an expert in this area, so I won´t say to much on this matter.
But our vessel is quite smooth and feels solid. We had our (fixed) problems too but nothing compared to that. Be assured that this will have my full attention.

The sandwich construction on our H21 is present only at the deck and upper part of hull. The outerskin is only a 1-2 mm thick at some places, making it hard to mount extra deck-equipment. Yet it has proven to bee very tough at impact since were not the best sailors around. Especially the bow.

But if there are, I like to hear from people who are able to let a H21 perform at its best.

 

[team OSD]

Thank you DJE, you´ve got mail.

 

[DJE]

Thank you DJE, you´ve got mail.

I have passed on your details to the Huzar owner in our club.

I've sailed the boat once, it seems light and potentially fast being rigged like a modern dinghy. But I know there have been a few teething problems; the day I was on board the wire rope which raises the keel broke. We were lifting the keel at the time to leave the boat on her drying mooring!

 

[team OSD]

DJE, thats right, it´s a fun boat to sail. When I sail this boat with 1 or 2 experienced people it makes me smile from ear to ear. Sometimes we make excellent speed but other times it feels like were dragging a dead camel through the water. We had some trouble too; I re-inforced the rudder system and the agent mounted the new system. We added a spring to so the rudder feathers back automatic after touching an obstakel.
Things like that.

 

[Joker]

I suppose I'd better say my piece, since I've already been mentioned.

It does seem as though the problem with my boat was a 'one off'. That doesn't excuse the builders [and the UK agent, John Wittey] behaving as they did. Faced with some pretty damning reports, they just waved their arms about and cried, 'Not our fault'!

One the other hand, the boat is perfect for what I want. It sails beautifully - no doubt about that. I live on board in the Baltic for six months of the the year, and it's very comfortable.

But as I pointed out to another of their dealers who complained to me about what he called my 'campaign', if they treat their other customers the way they've treated me then they shouldn't be in business.

 

[team OSD]

Joker, reading the Prospero story it was clear that things went horribly wrong. Also besides the technical aspects I mean. It amazed me that agent, manufacturer and insurance company didn´t join forces to work out a proposal that could work. Or at least had a reasonable chance of succeeding. Saving everybody al lot of effort.

Apart from all this I´m glad to hear that you like the way Prospero sails. I know a 30 ft yacht has little in common with a 21 ft ´dinghy-like´ yacht but if you made some adjustments to improve safety and performance I´m curious about them.

During the winter season we intend to make some improvements on our boat. Of course we´re interested to hear about adjustments which has proven to be effective.


Grt, team OSD

 

[Joker]

Insurance said 'Fault in manufacture', and that it was not their responsibility.

EM Yachts said 'Grounding' without ever having seen the boat, and that it was not their responsibility.

Wittey - well, let's just say everything he told Yachting Monthly was remarkably inventive.
He's still selling yachts ...

 

[Yaga Huzar 30]

Huzar

Don't know about the H21, but this is a very long running and painful story ...

http://www.channelpilot.info/prospero.php

Hope this boat was a one-off.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help but as far as I know they don't have a great reputation in the U.K.

There are many Huzar 21 sold, I know of one in the UK. The owner is a dentist in Fareham and is extremely happy and has won many races. They are still being produced and have a great reputation.
I wouldn't listen to Channelpilot, he has grounded his yacht many times and incurred substantial self inflicted damage. I have personally seen his yacht when it was lifted at a Southampton boat yard and the keel is bent at odd angles as was the rudder. Everyone who saw it was shocked by the level of damaged caused by the groundings and subsequent action to rescue her. No wonder she delaminated. Nothing to do with her manufacture, as my own Huzar and all those in the UK and Ireland are fine and great yachts, built by hand and with precision.

 

[Joker]

Re: Huzar

"he has grounded his yacht many times". And you know this how?
"incurred substantial self inflicted damage" And you know this how?
"the keel is bent at odd angles" The angle at which the builders fitted it.
"as was the rudder". No. The rudder was not bent. However, on your advice I had it repaired. It was a complete and utter mess inside, as well you know.

This is what they found when they cut my rudder open.

So get your facts right before you slag off other people.

 

[RichardS]

Re: Huzar

Especially when the "slagging off" was over 2 years ago.

Richard