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hello Roger
I did those comments as on a lobster boat these are the Med Touches Conforts that make it more of a Med Boat, that IMO can make her compete with anything else Sports Cruisers etc
I think the Mochi and Abati are really offering something else then the usuall Lobster Design

as for Nautical comments he is totally right, Genova but also Cannes you have some much healthy competition from unknow not mainstream builders, BTW Franchini have been in the buisness for over 50 years founded in 1945 building Sailing Boats which they still do, so they are not new to the game, I also agree on the blue color, in Genova it was perfect
 
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'expendable platform for increased sea enjoyment space' What? havin' a larf!.

[/ QUOTE ]They seem to have understood that themselves.
The platform seems to have lost the expandability on its way to Dusseldorf...
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I have said it so many times before (and been unpopular for it ) why oh why do we make it so hard for these yards to come to our shows, wait lists, years to get a good spot and a bloomin fortune if your not BMF and have built up the big discounts over so many shows, it would take years for a new comer to get any amount of decent space

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Erm, if these Italian yards are so desperate to exhibit in the UK, why are'nt they at Earls Court?
 
Not sure to understand what you mean.
I didn't say that the normal (non-expandable) platform is badly designed.
Actually, I think that it makes more sense, for a number of reasons - hence I seconded Roger's joke about sea enjoyment.
Btw, sliding platforms were seen on other boats before.
And afaik, in most of them they gave the owners quite some headache in terms of maintenance.
 
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Not sure to understand what you mean.
I didn't say that the normal (non-expandable) platform is badly designed.
Actually, I think that it makes more sense, for a number of reasons - hence I seconded Roger's joke about sea enjoyment.


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No No No No No... Yes. 'expendable platform for increased sea enjoyment space' What? havin' a larf!.


I read it as 'Expendable NOT Expandable' How can an expendable platform enhance users enjoyment! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Geez, well spotted, I didn't notice the typo....
...though I'm also puzzled about how sea enjoyment would be increased by the expandability as such.
Maybe it has to see with the option of retracting the platform while guests are boarding after a swim!
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Cus an awful lot wouldn't know it exists at this stage and almost all would want to be in a show with Princess, Sunseeker, Fairline and Sealine present. They would want to go head to head as I am sure they feel they have a better product at a more compeditive price. To a certain extent I think personally untill a couple of the bigger brit builders attend I think EC will struggle to compete as an international show. Excel has different problems in that there is literally no space to add another 20%-30% more boats from overseas and getting to it is a nightmare if you travel from overseas. SIBS is where it has to be at the moment or alternatively which for the life of me I can't figure out why not ....NEC, seems a no brainer.
 
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I can understand, if retro or 'different' is not your thing it can seem they are all very much the same, however from their perspective our normal fayre flybridge stuff looks all the same and they find it difficult to tell the difference between a Fairline and a Princess. They find it really hard to tell the difference between say a Targa 38 and any other Targa, to them they can't tell the difference apart from the 'footage' badge on the side!.
 
Yeah, but if and when the big Brit builders attend EC then there won't be any space for the Italians so it's back to square one. My guess is that the UK market is deemed an unimportant back water by many foreign builders and, with the worldwide market for boats being very good at present, there is no need to exhibit here. In any case, my feeling is also that, if there were Italian builders with a range of boats suited to the UK market, a UK dealer would have picked up on them by now
I went to EC yesterday and it was v quiet given that it was a Sunday. In fact there seemed to be more exhibitor staff than visitors in the powerboat section. Some exhibitors were putting a brave face on it by saying that, although visitor numbers were poor, the quality was high. Our own jezbanks seemed quite upbeat. I must say that I enjoyed strolling around and being treated like royalty on any stand I cared to visit but I can't see EC surviving unless they attract more boats and more visitors.
Yup, I've always said that NEC would be the right venue for a national boat show
 
I'd agree with that Mike, they do consider us as a market a bit small time but that is not really the issue, they do value the British buyer as Brits abroad make up a significant proportion of their Med business, look how many of us on here have our boats med bound. So while some of their product is not suited for UK waters they still have a customer base here and would want to tap into that if possible.

My feeling is with the right management and location 'UK' could be a major player on the international yacht show scene. Take Dusseldorf the second largest show in the world, its in January (freezing) miles from the sea in downtown Industrial Dusseldorf and not exactly a significant home market and very few German builders yet it is one of the most important shows of the year. If the Germans can do it why can't we?, because we put more importance on the home market and propping up UK interests than thinking 'Global'. I can see a future where the UK shows become less and less significant to even UK buyers, getting to Cannes as an example is so easy now and a weekend away to somewhere glamourous to see a show and a bit of a break for a few hundred quid when spending thousands on a new boat seems more attractive to me than London in the piddling rain and wind eating a manky £6 sandwich and a dishwater coffee.

All IMHO of course.
 
I think show wise
UK should concentrate on Southampton, the fact that is on the water is already a huge advantege to Dusseldorf...
I think the other important issue is to stop the dates colliding with the Cannes Show which is only 6 days long half of Southampton, the third issue is space
I also think that if a buyer has high quality competition will usually show more his details
apart the Italians not taking part, also US builders dont seem to care much of the UK shows
I think as Nautical poiinted out there is too much British interests going on in the shows and may be he knows a few things we do not know, being himself a boat Dealer in the UK
 
Dusseldorf is one of the reasons that LIBS is relatively small because Dusseldorf is only a week or 2 after. If LIBS is to become a truly international show, not only does it have to attract more diverse exhibitors and move to a better location but probably move dates as well. With SIBS being established in Sept, I reckon LIBS should be in late Feb/early March although I don't know what else this clashes with
 
I agree there should be one UK show in Southampton, and an effort made to find more space so that anyone who wants to exhibit can be accomodated. It seems ridiculous that we now have four shows (if you include the small NEC show)

I still don't think many of the smaller Italian brands would come though, and probably for good reason.

Firstly it costs a lot to get the boats here, especially if they're too big to come by road to Calais. Second the market in the UK is really sub 50 feet, and many co's are trying to upsize their boats to get better margins. Then I think their perception (and probably reality as well) is that UK buyers are quite conservative and will stick to the big 4 UK builders unless they have a very good reason not to. Then, as Mike says, most builders can sell everything they make anyway, and they probably have lots of Russian/Eastern European buyers happy to come to Genoa to see the boats.

I agree there are lots of British buyers in the med, but they will probably go to med boat shows anyway.
 
"is that UK buyers are quite conservative"

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Not far wrong there!

What I am (probably with little hope) saying is that there is no real reason why a UK show can not compete on a world stage, we have some of the most respected manufacturers here although perhaps small by global standards but top of their game nonetheless (well almost if it weren't for those cheeky upstarts from Piacenza /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

If Dusseldorf can do it so can we, on the other hand we do have that mentality of 'its too hard', 'their better than us', 'their established', blahdy blah, cobblers! if wanted it we could have it, just takes some gumption and 'can do' attitude, mind you there's not many where it matters that have, its more about self importance and an almost governmental attitude to business rather than we don't fear anyone we stand on our own merits type thing.

Getting the bigger stuff here wouldn't be a problem, deck cargo virtually straight to SIBS exhibition site, plonk in water and half a mile up the water and tie up. A lot easier than getting 120' into a hall in Dusseldorf.
 
have not seen the Abati into detail,
I must admit tough that in Summer I was mooring opposite there 55 and it looked stunning, I mean exterior finishing wise it looked on another planet compared to other boats of that size or range, the navy blue was spotless
the design of the 55 is more classic than that of the 46 so it may not be to everybodys liking but it surely had a presense to it
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What I am (probably with little hope) saying is that there is no real reason why a UK show can not compete on a world stage

[/ QUOTE ]There is a reason, actually a very simple one - and you're even mentioning it in your statement: it's a global market, whether we like it or not.
Pople interested in 120'+ boats have no problem at all in flying overseas to see the boat they're interested in, why should they be worried by a short flight to Dusseldorf, Genova or Cannes?
This is one of the few industries where european builders are still relevant globally.
To keep that position in the future, it won't be a matter of whether England can have a show which can compete with Germany. It'll be a matter of whether EU will be able to compete with US and Far East.
IMHO, it would make a lot of sense to have only one really big European show for big(ish) boats, let's say above 40', with local shows for smaller stuff.
 
Or a short flight to Southampton................

Not saying it would happen overnight but with some thought and proper marketing and strategy SIBS could compete, if it doesn't then like much of globalisation it will get swallowed up and become more of a local attraction for smaller boats and bits and bobs. Why would even the big UK builders bother spending such vast sums on SIBS if they can achieve al their sales at Genoa, Cannes, Dusseldorf, Miami or wherever particularly as several are all going bigger and bigger in size, once your cash cow gets past 60' then there is probably very few sales to be had within the UK. What is in the UK though are buyers which makes all the difference, competing against the US or Far East isn't such an issue in my view as the big money is still in Europe for the euro buyer, I can't see Mr Industrialist popping over to Taiwan to see his next yacht when he can see 100 or more by staying within Euroland where they are built.
 
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