New boat and trailer sale by Dealer........a bit naughty????

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dpb said:
I have noticed this combination for sale before and can't help wondering if the dealer explains clearly to his client that he is unlikely to be ever towing legallly given the weights and the options included list.
The capacity of the trailer is 2800kg.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Four-Winn...230487?hash=item4d643d72d7:g:KOYAAOSw3qJZzkLG
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You can tow up to 12,000 kg MAM with the right licence and vehicle and a max load width of 2.55 meters. So It would be possible to tow this rig legally. Not sure I would like to be recovering this from a steep slip though!
 
Up North where I am you usually find that combo in boatyards with a slip as opposed to a marina. Makes an attractive alternative to drystacking.
 
Lioness said:
You can tow up to 12,000 kg MAM with the right licence and vehicle and a max load width of 2.55 meters. So It would be possible to tow this rig legally. Not sure I would like to be recovering this from a steep slip though!
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The max weight of a trailer with over run brakes is 3500kg.
 
Lioness said:
You can tow up to 12,000 kg MAM with the right licence and vehicle and a max load width of 2.55 meters. So It would be possible to tow this rig legally. Not sure I would like to be recovering this from a steep slip though!
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That would take a different type of trailer and as you say appropiate vehicle
The GVW stated on the plate of the trailer in the advert is 3500kg, with over run brakes and a 50mm ball coupling, which is my main point.
 
dpb said:
That would take a different type of trailer and as you say appropiate vehicle
The GVW stated on the plate of the trailer in the advert is 3500kg, with over run brakes and a 50mm ball coupling, which is my main point.
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The trailer GVW is the max load it can carry so 3500 kg and the boat weighs 2801 kg (according to the listing), so that would be legal with the right towing vehicle and licence?
 
Lioness said:
The trailer GVW is the max load it can carry so 3500 kg and the boat weighs 2801 kg (according to the listing), so that would be legal with the right towing vehicle and licence?
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The trailer weighs 700kg according to its manufacturer so you are over before you start, albeit by 1kg!!!
But boat manufacturers quote dry weights with no options fluids or gear.............
 
dpb said:
The trailer weighs 700kg according to its manufacturer so you are over before you start, albeit by 1kg!!!
But boat manufacturers quote dry weights with no options fluids or gear.............
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The trailers actual weight goes towards the MAM not what the trailer can carry. The trailer can carry 3500kg and boat dry weighs 2801 kg so you have 699 kg to play with depending on the MAM of the towing vehicle
 
Lioness said:
The trailers actual weight goes towards the MAM not what the trailer can carry. The trailer can carry 3500kg and boat dry weighs 2801 kg so you have 699 kg to play with depending on the MAM of the towing vehicle
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That's incorrect. The trailer GVW is 3500. The trailer weighs 700 so it can carry 2800. The plate will often state all three of these figures.
 
CLB said:
That's incorrect. The trailer GVW is 3500. The trailer weighs 700 so it can carry 2800. The plate will often state all three of these figures.
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Quote from the Dept of Transport website
2. The weight capacity of the trailer
A trailer manufacturer must decide the maximum weight the trailer can be loaded to, the Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) of the trailer, and mark it on the trailer chassis plate. This cannot be exceeded. Sometimes the maximum axle weights are quoted instead and these must not be exceeded.

Perhaps you should let the DoT know they are wrong?
 
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As in my post above I still think you are all barking up the wrong tree. Lets be reasonable here. That is not really, pragmatically, boat that you'd trailer down for a day trip is it? Not unless you were particularly masochistic. It is a boat with a yard trailer. I think the OP is getting into a twist by leading an argument with an assumption.
 
Lioness said:
Quote from the Dept of transport website
2. The weight capacity of the trailer
A trailer manufacturer must decide the maximum weight the trailer can be loaded to, the Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) of the trailer, and mark it on the trailer chassis plate. This cannot be exceeded. Sometimes the maximum axle weights are quoted instead and these must not be exceeded.

Perhaps you should let them know they are wrong?
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I think you are misinterpreting it, but either way, you cannot have more than 3500kg hanging on the back of a car style tow bar if the trailer has overrun brakes. If you took the boat at 2800kg, added the spare 700kg that you think it has and then added the 700kg weight of the trailer, the car would be pulling 4200kg. You name me a car that can leagally tow 4200kg on overrun brakes. This trailer in question will not be rated to CARRY more than 2800kg.

Of course, you are right in that someone should let them know that their poorly worded website might lead people to make an illegal mistake.
 
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CLB said:
I think you are misinterpreting it, but either way, you cannot have more than 3500kg hanging on the back of a car style tow bar if the trailer has overrun brakes. If you took the boat at 2800kg, added the spare 700kg that you think it has and then added the 700kg weight of the trailer, the car would be pulling 4200kg. You name me a car that can leagally tow 4200kg on overrun brakes. This trailer in question will not be rated to CARRY more than 2800kg.
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Me misinterpreting? And who other then you said anything about cars towing this rig?
 
It's on overrun brakes. It doesn't actually matter what is towing it. You can only exceed 3500kg if the trailer has air brakes fitted.
 
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This is from the same DoT document:

Gross Vehicle Weight
This is specified by the manufacturer and it means the maximum weight the trailer is allowed to be when fully loaded. It is the unladen weight, plus the maximum permitted payload.

Does that make it any easier for the hard of understanding?
 
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CLB said:
This is from the same DoT document:

Gross Vehicle Weight
This is specified by the manufacturer and it means the maximum weight the trailer is allowed to be when fully loaded. It is the unladen weight, plus the maximum permitted payload.

Does that make it any easier for the hard of understanding?
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For the hard of understanding the full actual wording of DoT 7.2
7.2 GVW - Gross Vehicle Weight
This is specified by the manufacturer and it means the maximum weight the vehicle or trailer is allowed to be when fully loaded. It is the unladen weight of a vehicle plus the maximum permitted payload. Also known as Maximum Permissible Mass, item F1 on the V5C.
 
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