New boat adivce please

[Colvic Watson]

We are looking for a motor sailer with some very particular requirements. It has to have a full wheelhouse or walk through / stoop through from the saloon to the aft cabin. We've got young children and need to be able to leave the cabin doors open, a solid wheelhouse allows this. Length between 30 and 38 feet. Capable of sailing but we know it's a motor sailer. And under £45k.

We've looked at Colvic Watson's but not found anything else, any suggestions please?

 

[FullCircle]

Simon,
the French, in a delightful way, call these 50/50.
I have led you a link to Yachtworld, but a search on 50/50 bateaux a vendre produces results.

http://www.yachtworld.fr/core/listi...sm=3&enid=0&cit=true&currencyid=1004&luom=127

There is a particularly splendid boat down at Bridgemarsh called Gypsy that I will get the make and model of this weekend for you.

Have you also considered the LM range of Swedish Motorsailers, and there is a 35 footer for sale in Bridgemarsh too, will also get the detail for that.

 

[Tranona]

An early Nauticat 33 will do nicely. The budget is tight but possible.

3 currently listed on www.yachtworld.com at £40-54k

 

[Colvic Watson]

Thanks for those. The LM's don't have aft cabins as far as I can tell, but I may be wrong. I like the Nauticat 33's but like you say, going to be tight on our budget for anything but a very tired one. Thanks for the info on Bridgemarsh, do let me know.

 

[chubby]

The Barbary Ketch does not quite fulfil the brief but has a deep centre cockpit with access to saloon and aft cabin and a semi enclosed wheelhouse and does sail sort of, reaching above F4 but as gentlemen don`t sail to windward etc etc, we bought ours when our children were about 4 and 1 years old and it allowed us to sail with very young children in a safe way, the cockpit is too high for them to climb out off and they could be put in the aft cabin for berthing etc. It would be within budget as most are now 1970s. There were several simliar designs. The semi enclosed wheel house gives all the protection you want, can be enclosed with a canvas canopy to create a deck saloon in port but is not as claustrophobic as a fully enclosed wheel house at sea, it must suit us as the daughter who was 1 is now 19 and we still have the boat!

 

[Colvic Watson]

The Barbary Ketch is a very nice boat, really pretty and looks like a good sailer for a 50/50. The big issue is the lack of through passage from saloon to aft cabin. Imagine us rafted up and the young children are in either the fore or aft cabin - how do we secure them with just a canvas end to the wheelhouse? With a fully enclosed wheelhouse that isn't an issue. Other folks wouldn't mind but we do so it makes the hunting much harder.

 

[DoubleEnder]

Moody 33 mk2?

has a walk through to the aft cabin... but no wheelhouse. A possibility perhaps. Or the 333 like this http://uk.yachtworld.com/boats/1983/Moody-333-2294689/United-Kingdom
Graham

 

[chubby]

We sailed the Barbary ketch with 4 and 1 year olds and once the canvas cokpit canopy is zipped up a young child won`t escape or are you worried about someone else getting in?

 

[FullCircle]

Zip with a small child proof lock/catch from Mothercare?

 

[sarabande]

this looks a very nice CW.

http://www.apolloduck.co.uk/display.phtml?aid=153571


I had the 34 with an aft cockpit. Utterly brilliant and roomy family boat.


Caer Urfa of the forum will know if there are any others around not advertised.

 

[Colvic Watson]

this looks a very nice CW.

http://www.apolloduck.co.uk/display.phtml?aid=153571


I had the 34 with an aft cockpit. Utterly brilliant and roomy family boat.


Caer Urfa of the forum will know if there are any others around not advertised.

Yes I agree a nice one but terribly overpriced, they want to recover the cost of the upgrades and fit out refurb; but a really nice 31 sold through Woodrolfe recently for £29,000, which makes £54,000 seem particularly expensive. I agree with you about the CW 34, just about perfect and with an aft cabin it has all the rooms we need - a good looking motor sailer as well. The issue with the canvas is security. If they sleep in the aft cabin you have to keep the cabin doors open otherwise you have no idea if someone was entering the cockpit. If they sleep in the forecabin they could get up and into the galley without you ever knowing. Paranoid I know, just the way we are though

 

[Colvic Watson]

has a walk through to the aft cabin... but no wheelhouse. A possibility perhaps. Or the 333 like this http://uk.yachtworld.com/boats/1983/Moody-333-2294689/United-Kingdom
Graham

That 333 looks nice but what a bizzare set of photographs - what's wrong with the interior!!! I'll do some googling for others.

 

[Tranona]

Thanks for those. The LM's don't have aft cabins as far as I can tell, but I may be wrong. I like the Nauticat 33's but like you say, going to be tight on our budget for anything but a very tired one. Thanks for the info on Bridgemarsh, do let me know.

With your budget/requirements any boat wwill be old. The Nauticat is in a different league from the others you are looking at. The one on the Hamble looks particularly attractive as it is an all GRP one and within your budget.

 

[PeteCooper]

has a walk through to the aft cabin... but no wheelhouse. A possibility perhaps. Or the 333 like this http://uk.yachtworld.com/boats/1983/Moody-333-2294689/United-Kingdom
Graham

The Mk 2 doesn't have the walkthrough to the aft cabin - it was introduced in the 333.

 

[Colvic Watson]

With your budget/requirements any boat wwill be old. The Nauticat is in a different league from the others you are looking at. The one on the Hamble looks particularly attractive as it is an all GRP one and within your budget.

I agree, that Nauticat is a nice one, thanks to both of you for the heads up

 

[Stork_III]

What about this Hamble 37? http://www.foxsyachts.co.uk/used-sail-yachts.htm

 

[Twister_Ken]

What about this Hamble 37? http://www.foxsyachts.co.uk/used-sail-yachts.htm

Eek!

 

[aquaplane]

My parents have a Jeanneau Espace 1000 which would qualify as a 50/50. If you have to have an aft cabin it would have to be an Espace 1100 which you may get in your budget if you can find one for sale.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Finnsailer 35

My dad has a Finnsailer 35 - not an enclosed wheelhouse as such but deep and secure cockpit for kids - was great for our toddlers. Based on the west coast of Scotland so lots of miserable weather and its not bad when it starts peeing down. The 36 has an aft cabin I think.

http://yachts.apolloduck.com/boats.phtml?id=1221

They sail alot better than they look like they should.

 

[FullCircle]

My parents have a Jeanneau Espace 1000 which would qualify as a 50/50. If you have to have an aft cabin it would have to be an Espace 1100 which you may get in your budget if you can find one for sale.

I have sailed an Espace 1000. I thought it was a super boat, lift keel too.

Here is an 1100 £48k asking.

http://www.theyachtmarket.com/boatI...le/88517/?searchid=&page=&preview=&logview=no