Bejasus
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Going to look at a schooner rigged 44 on Sunday. Anyone know of anything one should especially watch out for? I believe the boat is on it's mooring.
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david
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The 44 is normally rigged as a ketch, this one is a one off.
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Bejasus
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There is a sloop rigged version also.
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gunnarsilins
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They were available either as ketches or schooners. Maybe a few were slooprigged as well.
If it´s an old one with wooden deck and superstructure, watch out for rot in deck beams. I also beleive they had mild steel fuel tanks, watch out! These will eventually leak and have to be changed after 20 years or so.
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If it´s an old one with wooden deck and superstructure, watch out for rot in deck beams. I also beleive they had mild steel fuel tanks, watch out! These will eventually leak and have to be changed after 20 years or so.
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Mirelle
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Rot. Can be very nasty indeed with older ones.
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Bejasus
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Ooer. Good survey all important then.
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Mirelle
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I don't want to do horrible things to the secondhand value of Nauticats, but locally someone bought one without a survey and lived to regret it bitterly - basically one of the local wood boat yards had to strip the boat down to the hull and rebuild the lot. The yard lost money on the job, which cost a lot more than the boat cost to buy. I think it was an early boat and had been neglected. I am sure most of them are fine.
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ccscott49
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see, i told you a fisher 46 was a better bet, especially with the tall rig and bowsprit /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
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david
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Is she on the East Coast?
built in 1980? If so I think the decks were grp by then. I would be more concered about the ford Lehman engine.
This one in the USA is £30g cheaper and a year younger
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built in 1980? If so I think the decks were grp by then. I would be more concered about the ford Lehman engine.
This one in the USA is £30g cheaper and a year younger
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gunnarsilins
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Ford Lehman
I had a NC 33 built -80 for 8 years with a 4 cyl Ford engine w. 3000 hours on the clock. Not a Lehman, but basically the same engine (NC 44 has 6 cyl versions).
I must say - an incredible engine! Slow revving, huge capacity and almost impossible to wear out. A diesel guru told me that 3000 hours on these is nothing, and that I could expect 10.000 hours before lifting the head off.
So I would not bother about the engine as long it have had regular oil changes and starts willingly without smoke from cold.
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I had a NC 33 built -80 for 8 years with a 4 cyl Ford engine w. 3000 hours on the clock. Not a Lehman, but basically the same engine (NC 44 has 6 cyl versions).
I must say - an incredible engine! Slow revving, huge capacity and almost impossible to wear out. A diesel guru told me that 3000 hours on these is nothing, and that I could expect 10.000 hours before lifting the head off.
So I would not bother about the engine as long it have had regular oil changes and starts willingly without smoke from cold.
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ccscott49
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Re: Is she on the East Coast?
whats wrong with the ford lehman? must be the marinising part, as I think they are the same basic engine as my mermaids and they are fabulous engines. or are they?
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whats wrong with the ford lehman? must be the marinising part, as I think they are the same basic engine as my mermaids and they are fabulous engines. or are they?
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alex_g
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I just happen to have both a 1986 Nauticat 44 (lying in Hamble Point) and a 1983 Fisher 46 (lying in Lymington) on my books.
The Nauticat 44 is a GRP superstructure version and is currently receiving a nice shiny new bottom courtesy of our friends at Osmotech. The yacht has also had the chainplate issue fixed which apparently afflicts almost all of the 44's. The chainplate fixings tend to go a little wobbly and need strengthening. Nauticat are aware of the problem and fortunately, it is not too difficult to fix.
The Fisher is one of four Berthon finished (we sold two others last autumn) extended-rig version in dark blue with a Wyatt & Freeman designed aft platform which doubles the available deck space.
I'm not going to give any prices or try to sell them as this is not the forum for it... If you would like to know more about them, please drop me a line in the office 01590 679222 or by e-mail alex.grabau@berthon.co.uk
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The Nauticat 44 is a GRP superstructure version and is currently receiving a nice shiny new bottom courtesy of our friends at Osmotech. The yacht has also had the chainplate issue fixed which apparently afflicts almost all of the 44's. The chainplate fixings tend to go a little wobbly and need strengthening. Nauticat are aware of the problem and fortunately, it is not too difficult to fix.
The Fisher is one of four Berthon finished (we sold two others last autumn) extended-rig version in dark blue with a Wyatt & Freeman designed aft platform which doubles the available deck space.
I'm not going to give any prices or try to sell them as this is not the forum for it... If you would like to know more about them, please drop me a line in the office 01590 679222 or by e-mail alex.grabau@berthon.co.uk
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andyball
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I think nauticat will sell you one rigged however you like : a friend bought a schooner & found several more around the world for sale. Agreed,the ketch is more common, but schooner is far from a one-off.
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alex_g
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There is a new 331 knocking around which was sold to an Amercian couple which doesn't have a rig at all! Sold as a motorboat!... That's a first by me!
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andyball
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Friend's boat was a 1980 schooner, ford 6cyl engine, but not lehman (forget the mariniser, but a scandinavian name, whatever, heat-exchanger anodes were not obtainable except made to order - easier to modify/make new anode plugs to accept easily available ones). Think anodes on his engine had female thread, that broke due to vibration & dumped remains inside the exch. needing fine tweezers to extract w/o removing end-cap.
Don't know if "chain-plate" problem referred to is the same as "my" nauticat....but reinforcing of deck area around mountings for stays was quite minimal & had allowed grp moulding to bulge upwards -seemingly very slowly over the years- but looked alarming anyway. Easy enough to reinforce except for one adjacent to forward head, needing bracket fixed to bulkhead if wanting to avoid cutting out the bulkhead first.
Same boat had both shower trays emptying into bilges (looked original, judging by grp mouldings) allowing water to collect in forward bilges ,thence below engine, where the drain-hole to the auto-pump sump was higher than the grp "floor" so always water sloshing around unless sponged out.
Davit mountings were laughably reinforced with small 2mm steel plates (probably not by nauticat, their chainplate ones were better than that).
His original heater exhaust was very low on hull by port-side door & heater had long since packed-in & been removed- suspected due to seawater getting in, but ??.
His rudderstock-arm fixing was just one rect. key & a small grubscrew- very loose ,which upset autopilot no end & made manual steering pretty hopeless too.
What several "engineers & experts" thought was a previous owner-bodge , turned out to be quite standard - a grp extension behind the keel, holding the shaft bearing. Must say, it looked a bit home-made, but scouring the net for photo's of others confirmed it was normal.
Usual old-boat stuff of rubbish wiring, almost clogged with scale toilet pipes etc.
After an accident, hull lay-up proved to be not that clever (one layer wetted so little it just peeled off by hand), but you can't tell unless you make a hole, I don't imagine.
My mate's was pretty horrible really, lots more wrong, but just lack of maintainance & inexplicably not having a condition-survey -rather than possible common things.
It was most instructive to a relative novice, quite how awful & expensive to fix, a quality-built(?) 1980 boat can be & the importance of a survey not parting with any money 'til everything's working properly or price adjusted downwards to reflect this.
Don't know if "chain-plate" problem referred to is the same as "my" nauticat....but reinforcing of deck area around mountings for stays was quite minimal & had allowed grp moulding to bulge upwards -seemingly very slowly over the years- but looked alarming anyway. Easy enough to reinforce except for one adjacent to forward head, needing bracket fixed to bulkhead if wanting to avoid cutting out the bulkhead first.
Same boat had both shower trays emptying into bilges (looked original, judging by grp mouldings) allowing water to collect in forward bilges ,thence below engine, where the drain-hole to the auto-pump sump was higher than the grp "floor" so always water sloshing around unless sponged out.
Davit mountings were laughably reinforced with small 2mm steel plates (probably not by nauticat, their chainplate ones were better than that).
His original heater exhaust was very low on hull by port-side door & heater had long since packed-in & been removed- suspected due to seawater getting in, but ??.
His rudderstock-arm fixing was just one rect. key & a small grubscrew- very loose ,which upset autopilot no end & made manual steering pretty hopeless too.
What several "engineers & experts" thought was a previous owner-bodge , turned out to be quite standard - a grp extension behind the keel, holding the shaft bearing. Must say, it looked a bit home-made, but scouring the net for photo's of others confirmed it was normal.
Usual old-boat stuff of rubbish wiring, almost clogged with scale toilet pipes etc.
After an accident, hull lay-up proved to be not that clever (one layer wetted so little it just peeled off by hand), but you can't tell unless you make a hole, I don't imagine.
My mate's was pretty horrible really, lots more wrong, but just lack of maintainance & inexplicably not having a condition-survey -rather than possible common things.
It was most instructive to a relative novice, quite how awful & expensive to fix, a quality-built(?) 1980 boat can be & the importance of a survey not parting with any money 'til everything's working properly or price adjusted downwards to reflect this.
alex_g
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The chainplate issue is as you describe... The deck can end up looking like a rollercoaster!
However, as you say it is easy enough to fix (as in the case of our listing) and once it has been done, it will be a betterment of sorts over a fully original example.
The shower-outlet into the bilge is something that is common with lots of Nauticats. I sold a 35 some time ago which was exactly the same. Sounds great in principle but soapy grey water in the bilges can stink a bit!
I personally have a very high regard for the Nauticats. Provided that you go for one with as much GRP as possible (in lieu of the older mostly wooden versions) you should have a yacht that will go on and on for ever.
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However, as you say it is easy enough to fix (as in the case of our listing) and once it has been done, it will be a betterment of sorts over a fully original example.
The shower-outlet into the bilge is something that is common with lots of Nauticats. I sold a 35 some time ago which was exactly the same. Sounds great in principle but soapy grey water in the bilges can stink a bit!
I personally have a very high regard for the Nauticats. Provided that you go for one with as much GRP as possible (in lieu of the older mostly wooden versions) you should have a yacht that will go on and on for ever.
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gunnarsilins
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Anodes on Ford NG
I think the engine you speak about was marinised by a Swedish company, Nils Gustafsson, which now is out of business. They specialized in marinising Ford engines and supplied Siltala Yachts (Nauticat) with these during late -70 to early -80.
But these special anodes you mention was at least recently available through an another supplier,
http://www.bosomarin.se/foretaget.htm
I you want me to check the avalability, please get in touch!
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I think the engine you speak about was marinised by a Swedish company, Nils Gustafsson, which now is out of business. They specialized in marinising Ford engines and supplied Siltala Yachts (Nauticat) with these during late -70 to early -80.
But these special anodes you mention was at least recently available through an another supplier,
http://www.bosomarin.se/foretaget.htm
I you want me to check the avalability, please get in touch!
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ccscott49
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is this the same Alex which sold me Englander? If it is, thankyou, you wouldnt recognise her now, or maybe you would.
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andyball
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Re: Anodes on Ford NG
That's the name : Gustafsson.
My friend has already modified the plugs & carries suitable anodes, but thanks for the offer.
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That's the name : Gustafsson.
My friend has already modified the plugs & carries suitable anodes, but thanks for the offer.
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david
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Re: Is she on the East Coast?
Yes an excellent engine, but reading the NANA web site many of the marinised parts are suspect to rust through.... and I hasten to add over a long time, like over ten years plus.
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Yes an excellent engine, but reading the NANA web site many of the marinised parts are suspect to rust through.... and I hasten to add over a long time, like over ten years plus.
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