Name change

[Fin]

Running the risk of plagues of frogs/freak shaving accidents/embarrasing spelling, what is the easiest way of changing the name of a yacht? Is it possible to change name and retain the sail number? Is being registered on the SSR a help or a hindrance? Is it worth the risk/hassle!?

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[Guest]

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Sail number ... is that the sail number she came of production with ? Then it has no bearing whatsoever on name of boat.

SSR makes no difference either - just fill in the form and regsiter the new name.

Unless you are Class 1, there really is no hassle ... just make sure that VHF licence DEpt, SSR and other bodies ae properly informed so that their records can be amended.

I changed the name of a boat before from Elizabeth to Nijoy of Fareham, then to just Nijoy ..... no prob's all wnet through ok and received thank-you letters from relevant authoritis / contacted .


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[Fin]

Re: ??

Thanks. When you say the correct authorities?? SSR, radio license, anyone else?

The only other person I've spoken to counselled against name change, his boat was sunk on the mooring by a freighter the day after he changed the name, nobody can have that much luck!

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[supermalc]

I'm about to rename my new (to me) boat, an old clinker fishing boat. It will spend it's life on the Witham, with probably the odd trip into the Wash.

My friends have come up with some interesting finds.

http://www.48north.com/mr_offline/denaming.htm

http://www.boatus.net/boatgraphic/names/Anames.asp

http://www.lakeshoresailclub.org/renaming.html

http://www.pocketcruisers.com/art_rename.html

http://www.globalpsychics.com/lp/Superstition/boat.htm


My boat, on the beach where I bought it

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[Guest]

Re: ??

whoever has the boat on their records ..... marina, harbour master, yacht club, etc.

Now someone else can possibly answer this one better ..... but here goes :

If a person buys a boat and then changes the name on hand over ... waht happens to VAT certificate and other docs that prove ownership / sale etc. when some authority in future wants to check em ? Is it a good idea to get previous owner to sign a letter stating that the named baot was xxxxx prevuiously and sold on as per Bill of Sale ???
Interesting little question .....


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[Talbot]

Re: ??

If the boat had part 1 registration before, then there will be an official number on a plaque somewhere on the boat which can be used to prove the dual identities. I did not particularly like the name of my boat when I bought her, but there is a lot of superstition surrounding renaming, and the cost then of renaming a pt 1 registered boat was £150 (that was a lot of money in 1987) so she still has the same name.

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[bob26]

Unlucky to change name?

If it was unlucky to change the name of your boat the insurance companies would charge you more when you do.

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[BrendanS]

Haven't looked through your links to see if this is already in there (it much easier when you post links to make them clickable on, rather than have to cut and paste them)

but this is my favourite click here

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[pelicanpete]

There are some erroneous superstitions about renaming a boat and the bad luck which surrounds a change. The correct situation is:

It is NOT bad luck to rename a boat by a new owner on transfer to him.
It IS only considered bad luck to rename a boat by an EXISTING owner.

So, if you are the new owner and don't like the previous owner's choice, have no hestitation about renaming.

As far as proving the boat used to be named "X" and is now "Y", present the documents to a solicitor or Notary Public and have him/her do up an "Affidavit" or Notarised Document attesting to the authenticity of the change.

Regardless the HIN (Hull Identification Number) will convince any doubting Thomases that it is the same vessel.

Pelicanpete

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[ubuysa]

Now I was told exactly the opposite when I asked this question of a very experience old salt. He told me that to ensure good luck when I rename the yacht I haven't bought yet (still with me?) I MUST leave her old name on her somewhere. He said that he writes it on the bottom of a drawer.

I do like Brendan's ceremony though, sounds much more fun!

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[BrendanS]

That's not what most people believe, and certainly doing a search on the subject on the internet, is not the advice that is commonly given.

If in doubt, perform the ceremony

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[Guest]

HIN

Many older boats do not have a HIN moulded or marked on the boat..... ok Macwesters etc. have - but many do not.

I was posing the change of name question of boat ownership as extra to the original just out of interest .... it could actually prove a point.

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[pelicanpete]

It's the same old problem. People believe they hear one thing and before too long it becomes folklore. One example (and there are hundreds) is when the S.S France (Atlantic passenger liner & Blue Riband holder) was bought by Norwegian Caribbean Line, converted to a cruise-ship and re-named S.S. Norway.
I've seen dozens of cargo ships whose names are indelibly attached to the bow/stern (because they are welded on) but which have been painted out and now carry a different name (painted on). Usually, this happens, like I said, on change of ownership. If the superstitions that some folk erroneously hold are true, most of these ships would be in Davy Jones locker...

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[BrendanS]

So what is the source of your information, that is so authoritative??

This is a superstition, and probably has no known source. If people believe the superstition, they will follow it. The vast majority of people believe the superstition says they have to perform a ceremony on renaming a boat, even if they have just acquired it.

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[pelicanpete]

It's just my opinion. There are no laws, only superstitions, hence this debate.

I'm seem to be reading from these posts that the consensus is that one should NEVER change a ship/boats name which is obviously daft, given all the name changes that occur to vessels all over the world. QED. For example, if I bought a boat named 'Sinker' , a name change would be done pronto...!

BTW I never yet mentioned anything about a ceremony. I agree, it is proper to offer a libation to the 'gods' when naming or re-naming a boat.

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[BrendanS]

Well your certainly entitled to your opinion, but I suspect you are in minority.

I mentioned the ceremony - earlier in the thread. It negates the bad luck in the changing of the name, making it perfectly safe to do so

Personally I don't hold much truck with superstitions, but see this ceremony as part of the rich traditions of seafaring.

In reading around this subject, found one interesting snippet. Although you can change the name with the appropriate ceremony, the ships bell which had the name engraved on it, was never changed, and the original bell with the original name on it remained.

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[Fin]

Looks like officially changing the name is fairly easy then.

Changing the name following the 'alternative' options sound harder. How on earth do I find a virgin with a dodgy bladder that is prepared to hang off the front of the boat without getting a smack round the chops from the other half!!!!

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[supermalc]

OK.....so we all agree.......it's an excuse for a party, but a bl***dy good one.

Think I may pass on the virgin though, only way is to catch the baby on it's way out

Red wine option seems the best.

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[pelicanpete]

Well, that was easy wasn't it?

Looking forward to the re-naming party. Where, when?

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[supermalc]

Where......Bardney Lock 10 miles east of Lincoln, 22 west of Boston.

When......whenever you like.....just give me time to get a name plate.

Oh.....and bring a bottle.

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