Mystery engine vibration

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Went out for the first sail of the season t’other day (although not our first time out under engine only) and after about 1 mile motoring, 4 miles under sail and a quick 5 min motor of the buoy we stopped on for lunch, crew came out with quote of the day ‘Skip, why is their water above the floor boards?’. After asserting we weren’t sinking ‘too’ quickly and pumping the water I remembered that I had noticed a funny noise from the engine whilst motoring earlier, sounded to me like something round the prop, I tried a quick blast of reverse to clear it, but had basically decided to stay below 2000 revs and ‘do something about it later’, anyway after bailing about 5 buckets of water my mind conjured horrible images of the stern gland being ripped out of the boat as soon as I started the engine, so called for a tow into the nearest slipway (Ferry Nab for those who know Windermere). A little back ground info at this point; We have a traditional stuffing box stern gland, that should usually be greased with a turn of the greaser after every trip. The greaser had run out soon after we bought the boat late last year, and was proving difficult to remove and refill, but this wasn’t bothering me unduly as it had done no more than 4 hours under motor since it ran out. Or so I thought, however on removing the greaser to refill (with the aid of a strap wrench) its remaining contents had split into a solid mas, and a black substance resembling engine oil, which makes me wonder if the prev. owner had been greasing the gland, he was a good sailor, but not too hot on all things mechanical. Criky this post getting a bit long, so I’ll get to the point, fearing the stuffing box would fail we called an engineer out who could find nothing wrong, although to use his words ‘the engine was about to jump off its mounts’ in half ahead, with about 1.5” travel on the mounts, increasing with revs, but no abnormality in reverse. It was clear the shaft had been moving in and out, as dirt on its surface was arranged to show this. We had the boat lifted, but could find nothing round the prop, and cutlass baring has been given a clean bill of health. So..what to do, well although the shaft has a flexible coupling, we have been told it may be out of line, and we have been told that the thrust bearing may be shot, perhaps this is borne out by the fact that the problem does not occur in reverse, do any of these sound plausible? And the mystery of all that water still remains, running at 2000revs in dock the gland didn’t leek more than normal, ie few drops a minute, so perhaps a few existing pools in the bilges were moved around by the fairly lively sail? Or maybe the shaft seal only leeks when it’s been running a while?
Apologies for having such a rant when I suppose I could have built pointed the info, but this was supposed to be our holiday, and an introduction to sailing for some of the family, so I’m rather annoyed we had spend it in dock. Although on the bright side, I have been able to have a good nose at all the boats being launched down the slip and you would be astonished how many lil mobos and fishing ‘boats’ have been let go with the bungs out, I’m now a film believer in the ‘panicking man with a bucket’ bilge pump technique.
Advise what to do next appreciated, Matt.
 
No way an engine should move 1 1/2" in forward or indeed any gear. Whatever else is wrong change the mounts as they are too soft and next look at how the thrust is taken from prop through the shaft - what bears the brunt? Is there a thrust bearing mid-shaft near the log or is the gearbox taking it (meaning back onto engine mounts)? Any damage to prop causing imbalance and excessive vibration? Is shaft bent? You can see a lot by going ahead whilst moored and looking at the shaft, serious imbalance or bent shaft will show as the shaft turns, the coupling or stuffing box will appear to "wobble". This "wobble" can and probably will result in water coming up the stern tube through the gland.

Check the shaft coupling at gearbox output flange, is it worn? Most medium sized couplings are 4-hole "layrub" couplings, basically a plate with 4 rubber-set tubes two of which bolt to the gearbox output flange and two to the shaft coupling flange. The rubbers take up any alignment issues if they are not too severe and minimise vibrations. Check both these and engine mounts with a crow bar, lever the engine up - is it still attached? Lever the coupling, do fixings move excessively?

Best I can suggest at present, good luck1
 
Hi
Assume by the user name that the boat is a colvic, which one? Also what make/size is the engine?
We had a sort of similar problem so may be able to offer some help.
 
From the symptoms you describe I think I would have a look at the propellor and entry to the cutless bearing. If you had that much movement ,is it possible for the propellor to have contacted the rudder. Do you use a shaft anode that may be loose. The Engine mounts are definitely a cause for concern. How is the lower rudder bearing held to the hull ,could this be the source of your leak. I'm not familiar with your yachts underwater profile,so these are suggestions that may fit the scenario.
 
I’ll try and answer points in order:
They are not the original engine mounts so this sounds feasible; however before the problem movement was normal. Ie not very much
I’ll have a look at the location of the thrust bearing next time I’m at the boat next week, i have photos galore of the stuffing box, but not unfortunately of the shaft coupling. I don’t think its a separate unit like the auqadrive ones, and the gearbox is solidly mounted to the engine so I’m not sure where it is. What do you mean by the shaft log? When ive heard of these before I’ve assumed it was an hour’s counter or something, but apparently not. The prop is fine, blade edges smooth ect, and visually the shaft isn’t bent. Will try the mount checking idea next week and report back.
She is a Colvic Countes 28 fitted with a sole mini 26 diesel.
Usual excellent suggestions so far, hope i can help you in return sometime. Matt
 
This sounds very much as if the mounts have failed. The normal movement when going into gear is about 6mm, although some very soft mounts allow a bit more. Anything more than that suggests the rubber has broken away from the steel of the mount. The amount of movement you describe will almost certainly bring the prop in contact with the stern bearing - normally 25-30mm clearance. Not good!

There is a good item on checking and replacing mounts in this month's PBO.
 
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