Mystery Cleats Help?

[savageseadog]

I have identified all the usual controls on my Prima 38 but there's two surplus cleats on each side deck/coamings I've not found a use for.

The side deck cleats we use are, Jib car control, Spinnaker twings/tweakers. The Jib inhaulers, kicker etc are near the main clutches. This leaves two historic cam cleats each side which don't seem to have a use. Perhaps these are the race winning controls that have eluded me all these years.

A virtual pint to the best ideas.

 

[flaming]

Sounds like a double ended pole down led back to the guy trimmer for ease of adjustment.

 

[savageseadog]

Sounds like a double ended pole down led back to the guy trimmer for ease of adjustment.

I've not come across that idea, it would only account for one cleat each side. As she's rigged there's a single pole down on the coachroof clutches, I recognise that trimming the pole down and guy together needs care.

Thanks for helping a Brexiteer!

 

[flaming]

I've not come across that idea, it would only account for one cleat each side. As she's rigged there's a single pole down on the coachroof clutches, I recognise that trimming the pole down and guy together needs care.

Thanks for helping a Brexiteer!

It's pretty standard setup really. Line goes from one cam cleat, through a block on the foredeck, round a block hung from the pole, through another block on the foredeck and back to the camcleat on the other side. Only thing to watch in use is that you don't end up with all the line on one side, but this is normally very easy to sort by just uncleating and pulling it through.

And at some point you'll notice that if I speak sense on one subject, I might just speak sense on another!

 

[savageseadog]

It's pretty standard setup really. Line goes from one cam cleat, through a block on the foredeck, round a block hung from the pole, through another block on the foredeck and back to the camcleat on the other side. Only thing to watch in use is that you don't end up with all the line on one side, but this is normally very easy to sort by just uncleating and pulling it through.

And at some point you'll notice that if I speak sense on one subject, I might just speak sense on another!

As I say though, it only accounts for one cleat each side.

Ultimately it's the sailing/racing that matters forget the other stuff

 

[flaming]

So you have a total of 4 cam cleats each side? 1x jib car, 1x spin tweaker, and 2 currently unused?

 

[savageseadog]

yes

It's quite possible that it's a legacy from a different setup. Perhaps the jib inhaulers were moved to the coachroof?

Regarding the operation of the double ended pole downhaul. How would one crew operate both the guy and the downhaul at the same time? The load on our guy is quite high, do you think a Harken 150 cam cleat is up to it, load halved when double ended of course?

While we're about it........Regarding other upgrades, someone suggested leading the double ended backstay adjuster forward to the cockpit crew as I (or other helm) have great difficulty adjusting the backstay behind while helming. I've seen an alternative kicker adjustment consisting of a clutch mounted on the back of the mainsheet car. I wasn't sure of that one because the mainsheet man is pretty busy anyway.

 

[flaming]

Like this?

If so, I think the 2 behind the winch without guides or top pieces are to hold the guy/spi sheet and the jib sheet captive when not in use to prevent them having slack in them. You can see that one is expecting a rope from the front of the boat, and one the back.

On this boat you can see in the other pictures the coachroof clutch with the green rope is the cunningham and the blue rope is the pole down which is double ended. There's also a double ended kicker. Neat setup.
http://uk.boats.com/sailing-boats/1999-seaquest-prima-38-6588323/#.WrkM1YjwaUk

 

[flaming]

Regarding the operation of the double ended pole downhaul. How would one crew operate both the guy and the downhaul at the same time? The load on our guy is quite high, do you think a Harken 150 cam cleat is up to it, load halved when double ended of course?

It's pretty straightforward to work guy and downhaul together. Sit behind the winch with the end of the downhaul across your lap. When winding on just release the downhaul first and cleat it afterwards, when letting pole forward just pull it on as you ease. In that case one hand per string.

While we're about it........Regarding other upgrades, someone suggested leading the double ended backstay adjuster forward to the cockpit crew as I (or other helm) have great difficulty adjusting the backstay behind while helming. I've seen an alternative kicker adjustment consisting of a clutch mounted on the back of the mainsheet car. I wasn't sure of that one because the mainsheet man is pretty busy anyway.

Looks like the backstay has been taken to the mainsheet on the boat I linked to. Makes sense as it's a mainsail control, and is how we have things. Kicker to mainsheet is not a bad idea, as it's generally him who's calling for kicker adjustments, especially upwind. But I'd just put another person on it when on a breezy reach when it needs playing separately. You'd have this anyway, they've just moved place in the boat, and moved aft, which is not a bad idea anyway in that circumstance.

 

[michael_w]

Like this?

cockpit cushions on a race boat, bit wimpish?

 

[savageseadog]

Like this?

If so, I think the 2 behind the winch without guides or top pieces are to hold the guy/spi sheet and the jib sheet captive when not in use to prevent them having slack in them. You can see that one is expecting a rope from the front of the boat, and one the back.

On this boat you can see in the other pictures the coachroof clutch with the green rope is the cunningham and the blue rope is the pole down which is double ended. There's also a double ended kicker. Neat setup.
http://uk.boats.com/sailing-boats/1999-seaquest-prima-38-6588323/#.WrkM1YjwaUk

Hey! That's a Prima! My son told me about the listed boat, Ginkgo, expensive isn't it?

My spare cleats are between the jib and mainsheet winches and face toward the beam, jamming with the rope pulled outboard.

Looks like the backstay has been taken to the mainsheet on the boat I linked to. Makes sense as it's a mainsail control, and is how we have things. Kicker to mainsheet is not a bad idea, as it's generally him who's calling for kicker adjustments, especially upwind. But I'd just put another person on it when on a breezy reach when it needs playing separately. You'd have this anyway, they've just moved place in the boat, and moved aft, which is not a bad idea anyway in that circumstance.

I was told about the extra cleat on the mainsheet and was told it was for the kicker. Now I've seen it, you're right, it's the backstay adjuster although the line appears to limit access to the small locker we use for goodies/torch/white flares etc.

 

[flaming]

My spare cleats are between the jib and mainsheet winches and face toward the beam, jamming with the rope pulled outboard.

Don't follow... Do you mean they jam when coming across the cockpit, for example could they be used to jam a jib sheet led from the leeward winch on the windward side?

 

[savageseadog]

Don't follow... Do you mean they jam when coming across the cockpit, for example could they be used to jam a jib sheet led from the leeward winch on the windward side?

No. Other way round. They jam a rope led to the nearest beam. I'll post a pic, although I'm not sure if I have a stock one so might be a few days.