My Gofundme Project to restore a 88ft 1963 twin screw steel ketch

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I would appreciate anyone who would be able to give the time to look at my go fund me project to raise enough money to restore a 88ft 1963 twin screw steel ketch currently in Canada to have as my floating family home so i can finally do what ive always dreamed of.

http://www.gofundme.com/drw2j8

Many thanks to anyone who looks

Michael Mutch
 
You really need a reality check. 15k is not enough to get a boat of that size and apparent condition ready for a trans-atlantic voyage.
It might get you a set of sails, if you have the masts to hang them on, but that is about it - no interior no welding, no tools, no safety equipment - add it all up then either post a true costing or drop your advert - anyone funding even a small part of your dream for the 30K target you set is wasting their money.
 
cliff said:
You really need a reality check. 15k is not enough to get a boat of that size and apparent condition ready for a trans-atlantic voyage.
It might get you a set of sails, if you have the masts to hang them on, but that is about it - no interior no welding, no tools, no safety equipment - add it all up then either post a true costing or drop your advert - anyone funding even a small part of your dream for the 30K target you set is wasting their money.
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Wot he said
 
Michael, a project like that is going to need AT LEAST GBP 100k - and quite possibly much more to re-fit the poor vessel to the standard that she would like to be accustommed to again, depending on how much work is needed, how much equipment and outfit she has to have, how much of this work you are able to do yourself, etc.......

And even if you restore her properly for whatever budget, your problems will then really start if you bring her back to Europe as you will then have to conform with all the regulations that will apply - at the very least you will probably be liable for VAT on the assessed value after the re-fit (ie not the 15k you might hope to buy her for).
Edit - Just saw that she was built in 1963, hence maybe VAT might not be applicable?

If you are very keen on living on a boat with your family, I know a family of 4 (American) who went around the world quite happily on their Cal 25 - they reluctantly moved up to a 33' steel yacht when child #3 appeared on the horizon (as they candidly said in their B-log (sadly no longer online), this was the only serious equipment malfunction they ever had, as the Cal 25 was VERY simple re outfit and toys).

So, as you appear to be able to lay your hands on perhaps 15k, buy a boat for around 10k (there are zillions for sale on Yachtworld), tell your family they are moving on board, and take off on your dream cruise.
Size is not everything - Dave and Jaja Martin on Direction (the Cal 25 mentioned above) conclusively trounced this idea.
Enthusiasm is more important.
 
Let me get this straight, you want me to set aside some of my money with which I am saving for a new boat, to live on, so that you can buy a shed half way around the world that you think you have the skills to restore into a family home?

Why would I do that?
 
Forget it. For a start there is no way you can bring a boat like that into the EU as you would not be able to get it certified (and you would have to pay VAT on entry). Second, as others have said there is no way you can make a boat seaworthy on that tiny budget. Thirdly if the seller only wants £14k for the boat it will be junk. Lastly, who in their right mind would give some dreamer who has no idea what he is doing money to play out his fantasies.
 
First of the £15000 budget is only to get her sailing again not a complete restoration as I understand that's going to cost a lot more she is in near sailing condition but does need some TLC (might have sat for a while but interior for what there is is in really good condition and exterior just needs a good tidy up some new wood and paint) before any long distance sailing can even be remotely thought of the funding campaign is mainly to accelerate the pace at which I can buy a boat in the long term I will have one even if it is in a few years yet if I was able to buy her once I have her in a sailing condition I will costal hop as much as I can to get her back to the UK as my sailing experience (to which I have some) is not ready yet for a transatlantic crossing in a direct route I would have to go via Greenland and Iceland before hitting UK waters for tax questions I'm waiting to hear back on documents for proof of exemption or not and that would potentially be a hurdle that I would find out at some point soon and for the other nay Sayers about 'why should I give him money' you don't have to I don't expect anything if it doesn't work out then so be it I'll continue to save and buy something else in a few years if it does work out then I can work on what I have always wanted to do that bit sooner only reason I picked her for this instead of a 30ft sailer was I think she looks beautiful and can see some real potential after lots of hard work
 
You sir are either a troll or a very very dangerous fool.

Coastal hopping via Newfoundland Greenland and Iceland? Words fail me. For a start cue the rerun of the Titanic. That is a route you attempt as a VERY experienced Captain.

Before this; where are you planning on getting her out of the water for the ultra sound survey. You are going to have an ultra sound I hope on a 50 year old steel boat. There are not many places that will be able to handle her and in the Canada/USA they will demand insurance before they let you near their facilities.

I speak as one who has lived on and maintained an old steel boat, 25 years old and built of corten steel, A 51 year old steel boat is likely to be at or at best near the point where it is scrapped.

BTW the pic below is the ship breakers of Pakistan. I will be very surprised if any of them are even near 50 years old.
 
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Mmutch said:
First of the £15000 budget is only to get her sailing again not a complete restoration as I understand that's going to cost a lot more she is in near sailing condition but does need some TLC (might have sat for a while but interior for what there is is in really good condition and exterior just needs a good tidy up some new wood and paint) before any long distance sailing can even be remotely thought of the funding campaign is mainly to accelerate the pace at which I can buy a boat in the long term I will have one even if it is in a few years yet if I was able to buy her once I have her in a sailing condition I will costal hop as much as I can to get her back to the UK as my sailing experience (to which I have some) is not ready yet for a transatlantic crossing in a direct route I would have to go via Greenland and Iceland before hitting UK waters for tax questions I'm waiting to hear back on documents for proof of exemption or not and that would potentially be a hurdle that I would find out at some point soon and for the other nay Sayers about 'why should I give him money' you don't have to I don't expect anything if it doesn't work out then so be it I'll continue to save and buy something else in a few years if it does work out then I can work on what I have always wanted to do that bit sooner only reason I picked her for this instead of a 30ft sailer was I think she looks beautiful and can see some real potential after lots of hard work
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You are just demonstrating that you do not have a clue about what is involved in such a venture. If it was all so cheap and easy, why doesn't everybody do it?

The answer is simple - it is impossible to get a 60 year old, 88ft steel yacht in a condition to cross oceans for £30000. Definitely not possible to "coast hop" via Greenland and Iceland.

Don't have to wait for an answer about tax and things - you will have to pay VAT at the first state of entry into the EU.

If you really want to find out the hard way, spend your own money. Nobody in their right mind is going to fund such a hair brained scheme.
 
I think Walter would do better selling the salvage rights to the go pro in the rig than asking for us to pay for his dream.
 
It will be this poor thing http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1963/Hall-Russell-%26-Co-Ltd.-Ketch-2742893/Canada#.VAO7xvldXic

" Vessel is in poor condition".

Broker speak for we only just got her out of the water before she sank, most things are seized or broken. The few things still working are museum pieces and the last spare parts were made in the 80s.

Ballpark figure for a cheapskate, minimalist refit £1 million to 2 million That will fix the hull, specialist job to do those big shaped plates on an English wheel. New standing rigging and running rigging and a basic engine service.
 
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Answering my own question . . .
Name
TYGER
Construction
STEEL
Type
KETCH
Date
1963
Official Number
303216
Description
Yard Number: 907
Auxiliary Twin Screw Ketch

Designed by Camper & Nicholsons Ltd. for Sir Myles Wyatt, Admiral of the Royal Ocean Racing Club.

In 1963, the owner Sir Myles Wyatt, also became a Chairman of the Burntisland Shipbuilding Group, which included Hall, Russell & Co. Ltd. He was also Admiral of the RORC and a member of the Royal Yacht Squadron.

The 'Burntisland Shipbuilding Group Journal' wrote the following about the launch of Tyger in 1963:
'Designed by Camper & Nicholsons Ltd, the Tyger is 88' 4.5" overall in length, 21'4" in breadth, 11'6" draft and 134 tons Thames Measurement. Constructed to the requirements of Lloyd's for yachts to Class 100A.1, the hull is of mild steel and the deckhouse of marine quality aluminium. Main and mizzen masts are of aluminium and all standing rigging of stainless steel. A full complement of terylene sails is carried.' (page 82, Volume 27, Number 3, Burntisland Shipbuilding Group).

By 1980: Renamed ISLANDER OF POLRUAN, owner Richard Strauss, Southampton. Sail No. 103

Spotted afloat and for sale at Shelburne, Nova Scotia, Canada, August 2013.

Current: not traced for charter
Shipbuilder
Hall Russell
Shipowner
Myles Wyatt
Dimensions
length 83' x breadth 21' x depth 15'
gross tonnage 115 ton
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Tyger

. . and here's some film of her being launched . .
https://archive.org/details/ABDMS019000.6
. . at Hall Russell in Aberdeen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall,_Russell_&_Company - who I see also built what was to become the Rainbow Warrior.
Sir Myles Wyatt was head of the independent British United Airlines, Freddy Laker was his deputy and fell out with him, leading to the establishment of Laker Airlines.

Fascinating!

All in all, if one is taking on the sizeable rusty remnants of the pride and joy of one of Britain's 1960's industry nabobs then one needs very deep pockets indeed !
 
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Tranona said:
Forget it. For a start there is no way you can bring a boat like that into the EU as you would not be able to get it certified (and you would have to pay VAT on entry).
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Built in Britain, so put into use in the EU long before the deadline, surely?

Daft idea, though. He should buy an old fishing boat, like everybody else.
 
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