Multihull capsizes in RTIR

[Slow_boat]

Well, it's put swmbo right off the idea of a cruising cat!

 

[DRsailing]

Well, it's put swmbo right off the idea of a cruising cat!

Thats a shame. Its extremely rare and I've sailed them in a few country's and never come near a problem.

Here's a few benefits -(this should start an arguement!)

More stable sailing = less spilt drinks etc
Much less seasickness due to saloon having more outside viewing and of course more stable.
Square bunks and often proper size doubles.
Faster
Twin engines for when one goes wrong!
Twin rudders
Shallow draught
Able to dry out at anchor and still stand up on the boat!
Lots of storage space
Lots of privacy & different areas of the boat to get away from others!
No weight in the keels to drag you under if holed.
Will float either way up
Often room for 6-10 people

Scott Bader is lighter and faster than standard cruising cats and was of course racing. This incident is not typical at all. If and when I manage a liveaboard, I wouldnt want anything else but a cat.

 

[DRsailing]

I forgot

can turn under power in its own length
they do point much better nowadays
easier and more stable going to the mast in a sea when necessary

Laying out on the netting in the shade of the genoa whilst under autopilot cant be beaten - especially with a glass of something whilst keeping a look out of course!

 

[Jeannius]

Well, it's put swmbo right off the idea of a cruising cat!

My cruising cat weighed 32,000 lbs last time on a hoist and it isn't going over in less than a hurricane combined with 20ft waves.

Done a circumnavigation in safety and and with all the comforts of home (and more in fact... no air conditioning at home)

 

[flaming]

Faster

Scott Bader is lighter and faster than standard cruising cats and was of course racing.

Hmmmmm

The boat I was on is/was marketed as a cruiser racer, and more are cruised than raced!

However, we started some 40 minutes behind you in green fleet and passed you before hurst, I remember watching a close cross with you on the approach to the castle.

Now, granted this was a heavy airs beat, which is never going to be a cat's forte - but a 40 minute head start.... And the 1st bridgedeck cat home took 8 hours 33min. Which is over an hour and a half slower than us, and also slower than the elapsed times of quite a few mid 30s Beneteau / Legend etc full cruisers in ISCRS.

So it wasn't like the cats were coming flying back past on the downwind leg....

Doesn't seem too fast to me....

 

[Slow_boat]

I've been thinking of a Quest 33, swmbo is more keen on a Moody34.

I'll have to take her to look at some more...............

 

[Slow_boat]

I've been thinking of a Quest 33, swmbo is more keen on a Moody34.

I'll have to take her to look at some more...............

 

[westernman]

My cruising cat weighed 32,000 lbs last time on a hoist and it isn't going over in less than a hurricane combined with 20ft waves.

Done a circumnavigation in safety and and with all the comforts of home (and more in fact... no air conditioning at home)

Hmmm....

Do a quick google on Catamaran capsizes and an awful lot of ordinary cruising cats come up. E.g. this one for example:-

http://yourcruisingeditor.wordpress...psized-while-cruising-near-niue-crew-rescued/

The are a lot of rumours in my home port of many cruising cats disappearing in our part of the med. No idea what 'many' means in this case. But probably more than one.

In the majority of cases, as is almost always the case with any kind of accident, there was a chain of events which led to the capsize.

 

[DRsailing]

Hmmmmm

but a 40 minute head start.... And the 1st bridgedeck cat home took 8 hours 33min. Which is over an hour and a half slower than us, and also slower than the elapsed times of quite a few mid 30s Beneteau / Legend etc full cruisers in ISCRS.

So it wasn't like the cats were coming flying back past on the downwind leg....

Doesn't seem too fast to me....

Quite understand - can only talk about our race but we had a terrible start. We got caught up in the waiting area / start line and went over the start line around 10mins after our start!

I think going up wind in a cruiser racer probably means you would point at around 20-30deg? We were on about 40-50deg as we were also 2nd reefed.

Once on a broad reach we only had a high cut genoa which is barely 100% on a good day, so not the ideal rig for downwind. We seemed to be passing a few around the back of the Island but I wasn't counting as I was taking my coffee break and taking pictures.

It would be interesting trying a bigger sail but prehaps not on that day!

 

[flaming]

We got caught up in the waiting area / start line and went over the start line around 10mins after our start!

Ok, 30 minutes by hurst then...

I still don't really buy the "cats are faster" thing when you're talking about cruising boats. As none of the data from the only major race to feature both (the RTI) really supports that. Just looking at this year, you have to look as far as the slowest class of the ISRCS (cruiser fleets) - 8D before the fastest cruising multi would have been home first. This seems to be fairly consistent with previous years.

Of course racing multis are very much faster, but their cruising cousins seem to lose much of that advantage. Is it that they have to be sailed so conservatively that the speed advantage is lost? Wheras a mono can afford to push it a bit more, as a wipeout is far less costly?

 

[paul.norton]

A bit off topic

Sorry to go a bit off topic, but I have heard that some of the junk-rigged boats seem to have done very well in the race.

Any comments?

Paul

 

[DRsailing]

You never know - you might be right