Multihull capsizes in RTIR

[AngusMcDoon]

Presumably, then, performance trimarans have drip-dry interiors. Or are totally gimballed.

A hose-out interior. It's to compensate for not having a keel that's guaranteed to fall off each season, like all Bavarias.

 

[Twister_Ken]

A hose-out interior. It's to compensate for not having a keel that's guaranteed to fall off each season, like all Bavarias.

Mmmm - watch out for aggressive men in lederhosen!

 

[fireball]

A hose-out interior. It's to compensate for not having a keel that's guaranteed to fall off each season, like all Bavarias.

Oi !! It doesn't fall off each season ... you have to take out the optional extra "removable keel" feature for that ...

Mind u - at the rate mine is rusting it'll probably only last 6 months anyway!

 

[snowleopard]

........and let me hasten to assure you that multihulls are a perfectly safe mode of transport.....occasional capsize......bows occassionally break off......sometimes trapped underneath the trampoline.....incapable of self-righting....pitch-poling.......but otherwise perfectly safe and seaworthy and ideal for taking the family for a jaunt round an island.

Of course you don't drive a car. You have only to watch a grand prix to see how often they slide off the road and crash so cars are inherently unsafe. Or is that another really stupid argument?

 

[Twister_Ken]

Of course you don't drive a car. You have only to watch a grand prix to see how often they slide off the road and crash so cars are inherently unsafe. Or is that another really stupid argument?

No, a perfectly sensible argument. Roughly 3000 people die on Britain's roads every year. None of them (lately) in Grand Prix cars. Over a million deaths annually worldwide, it seems.

 

[flaming]

Of course you don't drive a car. You have only to watch a grand prix to see how often they slide off the road and crash so cars are inherently unsafe. Or is that another really stupid argument?

I heard the analogy that racing a mono is like driving an F1 car around silverstone. If you push too hard you'll fall off the track, but the chances are you'll be able to recover it and carry on.
Wheras racing a multi is like racing at Monaco - push too hard and you're in the barriers, game over.

We were also flying a kite at that point on the RTI, and also broached. However we finished with no damage.

Pretty tough to compare the tri with a kite up with a cruising multi, but I think the images of the cruising cat upside down will have sent shivers down the spine of many who have considered a multi for family cruising.

 

[pteron]

We (Strontium Dog) decided against flying the kite (almost 200 sq m) down the back and was just debating putting it up when we spotted the upturned DF.

Looking at the video, it does seem that the tramps finished it off. IIRC the DF has fairly chunky tramp nets, something that you wouldn't normally choose on a racing tri.

 

[AngusMcDoon]

IIRC the DF has fairly chunky tramp nets, something that you wouldn't normally choose on a racing tri.

They do. The material is more like what real trampolines are made of rather than the open netting as found on Farrier/Corsairs. This material is carefully designed to have the dual properties of catching the wind efficiently in the event of a capsize, but offering virtually no resistance to upwards moving water when you are walking across it without boots on, resulting in a wet leg.

 

[pteron]

The owner of the Dragonfly has posted on another forum to say:

"We were sailing comfortably under spinnaker and reefed main when the boat broached and rudder grip was lost, all sheets were released immediately and we expected the boat to right itself, however it capsized. There was no structural failure at any time which can be confirmed by many pictures on You Tube etc. and taken by other passing boats. It has been confirmed to us by the divers and salvage team that a lobster pot buoy was firmly jammed on the water stay.
As it was heading for the rocks a desperate attempt was made to right it which resulted in much of the structural damage to the boat, subsequent salvage proceedings have further compounded the damage."

Re the Scott Bader: "The diver who cut the rig free reported a submerged shipping container partially wedged in the mud nearby with what looked like fresh grazes on it corresponding to marks on the SB's windward hull, which may have slid up it and initiated the capsize"

 

[Seajet]

If that is the case, are any steps being taken to mark this container, which presumably could flip / sink another multi, wipe the keel off a monohull, or indeed sink any boat, as it must be VERY close to the surface ???

 

[Seajet]

Had another look at the pic of the cat inverted being towed in, naturally the L/E of the keel in question cannot be seen clearly, though I can't see any serious damage; anyone got better photo's ?

 

[flaming]

If that is the case, are any steps being taken to mark this container, which presumably could flip / sink another multi, wipe the keel off a monohull, or indeed sink any boat, as it must be VERY close to the surface ???

I'd love to know that too. Scary thought that nearly 1900 boats passed very close to it.

Actually quite amazing that only one seems to have hit it.

 

[Twister_Ken]

I'd love to know that too. Scary thought that nearly 1900 boats passed very close to it.

Although most of them will have drawn too much to get very close to it.

 

[flaming]

Although most of them will have drawn too much to get very close to it.

Really? I didn't think that the cat was that far in?

 

[Twister_Ken]

Really? I didn't think that the cat was that far in?

Spirit of Scott Bader draws 3.5' so I was assuming she was in shallower water than the bulk of the mono fleet.

 

[Seajet]

I didn't think she was close inshore either, it looks a fair depth judging by the angle of the mast preventing her going over completely; what's a container + 3.5 ?!

Quite seriously if this is right about the container, who should be marking or aware of it ? VTS ? QHM ? Trinity House ?

 

[Twister_Ken]

Std container is 8' square, so whether on side, top or bottom, add 8' to CD unless it's bogged in a bit. Knowing RS Divers who did the recovery, I'd be amazed if they didn't report the exact position to the authorities.

 

[Adonnante]

I didn't think she was close inshore either, it looks a fair depth judging by the angle of the mast preventing her going over completely; what's a container + 3.5 ?!

Quite seriously if this is right about the container, who should be marking or aware of it ? VTS ? QHM ? Trinity House ?

Not sure about my facts as the almanac is on the boat, but the RIWR is usually held close to neaps, given that the obstruction must have been only about 1.0m below the water at the time wouldn't it be visible on a spring LW?

Peter.

 

[Seajet]

Not sure about my facts as the almanac is on the boat, but the RIWR is usually held close to neaps, given that the obstruction must have been only about 1.0m below the water at the time wouldn't it be visible on a spring LW?

Peter.

As SB was reported as flying a hull before this, it could be shallower than that !

 

[dunedin]

From my experience of light racing cataramarans, you have to have very quick reactions once the lee bow starts to bury. Like milliseconds to get of out it.

You need to dump the spinaker/asymetric sheet, and bear off very hard until you gybe and then bear off hard again to get back to a dead run - otherwise you will capsize in a broach on the new tack. If you luff up you will capsize to leward fast and violently.

This does the trick. Sometimes.

Otherwise the result is instead of tripping over one bow fully buried in the sea you will pitchpole squarely over both bows buried up to the mast cross beam.

I know this from extensive pitchpoling experience.

Playing with the mainsheet won;t help. With the main sheeted in, it is providing a little bit of lift. Let out against the shrounds you have more force at the top of the mast pushing the bows down.

Wow - the voice of (probably quite painful) experience

How much sea water did you swallow, and cuts from fast stops on daggerboards and stays, building this expertise