Motoring Cone? Even worse are those going the wrong way

[haydude]

COLRGES say you have got to keep the right in a narrow channel.
To get in and out of marinas there are often narrow channels, yet in the UK there are always idiots going the wrong way!

And worse if you tell them off, they even get upset!

 

[rivonia]

Yes they do. I have been shouted at and called many different names. This was because I kept well over to the Starboard side. Well done for bringing it up. I often thought that they did not have the knowledge.

Peter

 

[rickym]

Starboard of the centre line of the channel then you have room to manoevre. If on the Starboard edge then you have nowhere to go if you encounter someone coming the other way.

 

[Mariner69]

The rule is pretty clear... unlike some of them.

"...shall keep as near to the outer limit of the channel or fairway which lies on her starboard side as is practicable."

The devil's in the detail.... "as is practicable."

 

[haydude]

These guys are really dangerous and I was wondering if the UK Coastguard would be interested if I reported them when I see them. Sometime I have a camera on board, and I could take the opportunity to record as proof.

I may forgive Summer Sunday boaters on small power boats, but I saw also large sailing yachts with greyed hair yachtsmen at the helm. I think that these are people who might have been sailing for years and never bothered about taking any training course. The latter being also the most arrogant.

In the south coast I know three places with such dangerous access:

1) Gosport: I was getting into Gosport at the end of August with a strong ebbing spring tide, at max revs I was struggling to keep to 2kts SOG whilst my log indicated 8kts holding the starboard end of the approach. The sailing yacht in front of me was struggling to keep up at the same speed and was loosing ground on me. The tidal waves were rocking the boat port and starboard and it was hard to tune the power to avoid getting too close the the vessel in front. Yet cretins with large power boats were overtaking to port with other vessels coming down the channel and being forced very close to us!

2) Brighton marina: the channel looks large enough, but in fact it is one third of what it looks like due to the build up of shingle to the east. There is almost always an irregular chop, and contrary to what one might expect the chop is always worse when approaching the marina then out at sea at the same time. It must be because of the waves bouncing back from break walls and cliffs. The observation of COLREGS there is essential.

3) Sovereign Harbour: the channel leaving the locks is muddy and the banks go up quickly towards the centre, then soften giving a false impression of plenty of water. The buoys delimiting the channel lay on mud near to low water, so one must pass well clear of them towards the middle. At low water it looks still large enough, but navigability is narrow, yet here COLREGS are more an opinion then a rule, here is were I saw sailing yachts to port. The distance from the Solent might do something to these people. Also boats coming from the west often cut short in front of the west water breaker that impedes visibility, at risk of colliding with a vessel exiting the channel on starboard as it should.

 

[NormanS]

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1) Gosport: I was getting into Gosport at the end of August with a strong ebbing spring tide, at max revs I was struggling to keep to 2kts SOG whilst my log indicated 8kts holding the starboard end of the approach. The sailing yacht in front of me was struggling to keep up at the same speed and was loosing ground on me. The tidal waves were rocking the boat port and starboard and it was hard to tune the power to avoid getting too close the the vessel in front. Yet cretins with large power boats were overtaking to port with other vessels coming down the channel and being forced very close to us!
end of quote.

If you're so perfect, why not wait until the tide has slackened off, and come in under proper control, without "struggling"?

 

[colingr]

Harsh but a good point of seamanship.


Perfect
Planning
Prevents
Potential
Problems

 

[sailorman]

Get a radio check @ the same time

[I was wondering if the UK Coastguard would be interested if I reported them when I see them. Sometime I have a camera on board, and I could take the opportunity to record as proof.]

You might consider a career as a PCSO

 

[Rustyknight]

Going through the entrance to Poole harbour can be great fun at times, with the chain ferry and tripper boats, as well as the cross channel ferry Barfleur and the Fast Cat Condor, and a decent spring ebb or flood tide.

Absolute mayhem on sunny summer weekends......

 

[Woodlouse]

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I hate to say it haydude, but you don't half go sailing to some awful places.

 

[snooks]

[I was wondering if the UK Coastguard would be interested if I reported them when I see them. Sometime I have a camera on board, and I could take the opportunity to record as proof.]

You might consider a career as a PCSO

Or a Volunteer Harbour Patrol

 

[DogWatch]

Diese Kerle sind wirklich gefährlich, und ich fragte mich, ob sich die Küstenwache des Vereinigten Königreichs interessieren würde, wenn ich sie meldete, wenn ich sie sehe. Einmal habe ich eine Kamera an Bord, und ich konnte die Gelegenheit ergreifen, als Beweis zu registrieren.

Ich kann Sommer am Sonntag Bootsführer auf kleinen Macht-Booten verzeihen, aber ich sah auch große segelnde Jachten mit greyed Haarsportseglern am Ruder. Ich denke, dass diese Leute sind, die seit Jahren gesegelt sein könnten und sich nie um die Einnahme jedes Lehrkurses sorgten. Das letzte Wesen auch das arroganteste.

In der Südküste weiß ich drei Plätze mit solchem gefährlichem Zugang:

1) Gosport: Ich kam in Gosport am Ende des Augusts mit einer starken zurückgehenden Springflut, an max revs strengte ich mich an, zu 2kts SOG zu bleiben, während mein Klotz 8kts das Halten des Steuerbord-Endes der Annäherung anzeigte. Die segelnde Jacht vor mir strengte sich an, mit derselben Geschwindigkeit anzuhalten, und löste Boden auf mir. Die Wellen schaukelten den Bootshafen und das Steuerbord, und es war hart, die Macht abzustimmen, zu vermeiden, zu nahe den Behälter in der Vorderseite zu bekommen. Und doch holten Kretins mit großen Macht-Booten ein, um mit anderen Behältern nach Backbord zu halten, die der Kanal herunterkommen und sehr in der Nähe von uns zwingen werden!

2) Brightoner Jachtbassin: Der Kanal sieht groß genug aus, aber tatsächlich ist es ein Drittel dessen, wie was es wegen des Aufbauens von Schindel nach Osten aussieht. Es gibt fast immer einen unregelmäßigen Schlag, und dagegen, was man erwarten könnte, dass der Schlag immer schlechter ist, sich dem Jachtbassin dann auf See zur gleichen Zeit nähernd. Es muss wegen der Wellen sein, die zurück von Brechungswänden und Klippen springen. Die Beobachtung von COLREGS dort ist notwendig.

3) Souveräner Hafen: Der Kanal, die Schlösser verlassend, ist schlammig, und die Banken steigen schnell zum Zentrum, machen dann das Geben eines falschen Eindrucks viel Wassers weich. Die Boje, die den Kanal abgrenzt, liegt auf dem Schlamm in der Nähe von niedrigem Wasser, so muss man gut frei von ihnen zur Mitte gehen. An niedrigem Wasser sieht es noch groß genug aus, aber Manövrierfähigkeit ist noch hier schmal COLREGS sind mehr eine Meinung dann eine Regel, hier ist waren ich sah segelnde Jachten, um nach Backbord zu halten. Die Entfernung vom Solent könnte etwas diesen Leuten tun. Auch Boote, die aus dem Westen häufig kommen, der vor dem Westwasserbrecher unterbrochen ist, der Sichtbarkeit gefährdet des Kollidierens mit einem Behälter behindert, der über den Kanal auf dem Steuerbord herrscht, wie es sollte.

Wow, boating really seems to stress you out

 

[mireland]

Harsh but a good point of seamanship.


Perfect
Planning
Prevents
Potential
Problems

Or

Perfect
Planning
Prevents
Piss
Poor performance

 

[haydude]

If you're so perfect, why not wait until the tide has slackened off, and come in under proper control, without "struggling"?

Your "touchy" replies may reveal people who is not familiar with the COLREGS. The trouble is that once you will have crashed you will have done damage also to others rather than just yourselves.

Or is it just the international rules that are not coming from you Brits do not apply to you? The UK is a country of contraddictions. Everyone obeying to speed limits like sheep, is it because they are responsible? Not at all! It is the deterrent to get points, not the danger! But then you hardly get even stopped if you beam the foglights high against the cars coming towards you, or drive at night without any light at all, dangerous, but who cares? Do you?

Same goes for the COLREGS, no deterrent, everyone is a lion!

 

[haydude]

I hate to say it haydude, but you don't half go sailing to some awful places.

It is your country after all ... I like all of these places. The Solent is like a lake, if you want real sailing get out of there.

 

[roger]

Narrow channel tactics

So far this thread has considered the simple error of going down the left side of the channel. It is an obvious mistake and presumably comes either from ignorance of COLREGS or a decision to ignore them. The Legal situation is clear.
It is not so clear when one encounters a sail boat tacking up a narrow channel. Many sail boats feel they have the right to obstruct all other water users. My feelin is that where the sailboat is the "stand on vessel" it should hold course and speed. This does not give it the right to tack onto a collision course with another boat. This happens quite often and a large number of boats can be held up and obstructed by one sail boat insisting on his/her right of way.

 

[dt4134]

My feelin is that where the sailboat is the "stand on vessel" it should hold course and speed. This does not give it the right to tack onto a collision course with another boat. This happens quite often and a large number of boats can be held up and obstructed by one sail boat insisting on his/her right of way.

Do you think they should run aground then?

I've motored through a dozen or more engineless gaff riggers tacking out of a narrow channel in quite a tight group and I didn't find it difficult. You just need a certain amount of knowledge of the ColRegs and a reasonable anticipation of when they'll have to tack. It delayed my progress slightly but other that caused no inconvenience.

 

[Blue5]

I hate to say it haydude, but you don't half go sailing to some awful places.

Oi, take that back, nothing wrong with Gods port

 

[Ubergeekian]

So far this thread has considered the simple error of going down the left side of the channel. It is an obvious mistake and presumably comes either from ignorance of COLREGS or a decision to ignore them. The Legal situation is clear.

Not necessarily. In a marina or harbour there may be local regulations which override the normal rules.

 

[arth_tumbleweed]

Would agree with this, although some people do shout a bit too early!! We got shouted at during the summer for being on the port side, would normally understand, but the fact that we were 3meters from the pontoon with 2 people ready to step off with lines...how else do we get on to the berth if we aren't allowed on the same side of the river as the pontoon?!