More problems on the second-hand subs

[ashley]

Seems the last of the four re-fitted subs being sold to Canada is having a slight issue with fire at sea!

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[halcyon]

Slight warrenty problem, you always get problems after the engineers have been on board.

Last line worries me, two were so new they had never entered service with the Royal navey before they were scraped, now you know were some more of your taxes went.


Brian

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[StugeronSteve]

Bet there's something in the small print of the surveyor's report about not being able to gain access to check wiring. Wonder if the RN had to pay broker's commission, £19.52 million, plus vat, at 8% (of £244 mil), or whatever it is they are charging now.

I understand that the emergency is under control, but I would imagine life on the sub is fairly grim at the moment, bobbing about like a cork in 8m swell.

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[steve_cronin]

who\'s "The Royal navey"?

Has Phil the Greek taken up a bit of moonlighting?

This whole thing and the way it's been reported is hinting at good old Britannia fiddling it's friends with dodgy secondhand goods.

My question is:- What is a prosperous country like Canada doing buying obsolete military hardware anyway? If their condition is anything like those old fleet boats mothballed at the top of pompey harbour up to a couple of years ago, they should have walked on by.

Steve Cronin



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[StugeronSteve]

Re: who\'s \"The Royal navey\"?

From what I have read one of the principal duties for the subs is to be fishery protection. It would be interesting to read the standing orders for dealing with unauthorized boats.

As you say, the media seems to be putting a "stitched them up spin on the story", which I would have thought was a little insulting to the Canadians, although the hand over of this, the third sub, was apparently delayed whilst parts that had been cannibalized for the other two were replaced.

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[cameronke]

Re: who\'s \"The Royal navey\"?

Hi Steve

Not sure these subs were obsolete. Several submariners that I talked to regarded the Upholder class very highly. A diesel sub can be quieter than a nuke and that is what submarines are all about. I think that the UK has a policy of only employing nukes

Regards
Cameron

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[StugeronSteve]

Re: A diesel sub can be quieter than a nuke....

...and does'nt glow in the dark!

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[ParaHandy]

Re: A diesel sub can be quieter than a nuke....

da ... the kromolski class special deal (3 for 2 and cash on collection Murmansk) unfortunately suffered from this problem and the stupid canucks turned the deal down .....

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[PeteMcK]

Walking on by

They weren't obsolete but state-of-the-art diesel electric and virtually unused (typically one year in commission before lay-up). Attraction: they got the lot, including full refits and crew training, for less than the price we paid for one. The hardware we get to keep as a substitute for these includes reactors - many already dud - which will, very soon, have to be stored (abandoned?) in sheds at the top of the Firth of Clyde for n-zillion years.

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[StugeronSteve]

Re: da ... the kromolski class.

Perfectly safe and reliable according to a report by long serving submariner, Capt. Vladimir Weismiballsvelloff.

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[A_7]

Substandard?

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[ParaHandy]

Re: da ... the kromolski class.

da .. tovarrich ... was he brother in law of JimiFajitaski Rudderfelloffski?

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[StugeronSteve]

Re: da ... the kromolski class.

2nd cousin, following the marriage between his uncle Timotei Herbalessanskivorpooftas, and the one time soviet hearthrob caber tosser, Borisetta Getyergrundiesov. Sadly this couple, who were once considered the Soviet forerunners of Posh and Becks, split up in 1954, when Borisetta defected to Clydebank, becoming known to the locals as Dear Heart, she is thought to have later married an itinerate caullie sampler.

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[Talbot]

Re: who\'s \"The Royal navey\"?

Submarines were not obsolete. They had the potential to be the best in the world at their type of task, but were so new that they never had a chance to be fine tuned. The Navy had suffered every year from some form of spending cut paring a bit here and a bit there, and the admiral in charge of submarines had finally had enough and said, if you want more cuts it will have to be a capability and offered up the conventional subs. The treasury took them! Shortly afterwards that specific capability was required in anger and the navy was no longer able to do it.

Gordon Brown will have reduced this country shortly to having a navy smaller than that of Belgium.

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[ColinW]

It quite clearly says on the receipt "Sold as seen"


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[Keith]

pure politics, as the submariners wanted them as its the only way to operate in water less than 600ft deep, its difficult putting special forces on the beach from a nuclear boat as its a bloody long swim with all the risks involved, deisel/electric can get much closer to the beach and is the reason (in general) they were so effective, the americans are now building a small nuke for inshore and special forces work, but even they realise the limitations of such a boat consequently it carries a piggy back sub (type "seal delivery system"in your search box if interested),as an aside the virginia class is fitted with the propulsion system off the astute class UK sub..........keith

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[StugeronSteve]

Re: who\'s "The Royal navey"?

I would have thought that Britain's real security needs would have been better met by the coastal patrolling capabilities of this type of vessel, rather than a fleet of decaying nukes, that tour the world, ready to lob cruise missiles (that we can't afford) at all and sundry. Mind you I'm neither a military strategist, or Chancellor of the Exchequer, so I'm probably talking b****x.

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[jhr]

Re: who\'s \"The Royal navey\"?

If you're good at talking B*****ks, you will make an excellent Chancellor of the Exchequer. "Endogenous growth curve", anyone?

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[StugeronSteve]

Re:\"Endogenous growth curve\", anyone?

I'll have fried rice and at sweet'n'sour sauce with mine if that's ok. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Budgie]

Re:"Endogenous growth curve", anyone?

I think I saw this sub on the Clyde last week. Unusually it was cruising "hull down" on the surface, ie just the conning tower above the surface. Most of the subs we see are nuclear, and always seem to cruise "hull up". Anyone know why?

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