More anchoring madness??

Shortening up and going astern will work in sand or mud .here in the Bristol Channel on a rising tide a well dug in anchor can be lifted by shortening up until the chain is up and down then waiting 10 minutes.

On a spring tide it rises 18 inches in 10 minutes in the middle hours.

I did this in Bridgewater Bay after waiting for the tide to get into Burnham on Sea. The Bruce had really dug in so shortened up and waited ,finally panicked when the stem head roller was getting wet.couldnt get the chain off the bits,frantically putting a new blade in the hacksaw when it broke out /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif


Since then i ALLWAYS put a short bit of rope around the chain and onto the cleat.Much easier to cut if need be /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
I agree, shortening up the cable and backing up works when the bottom is suitable and maybe some posters should think before they rush to their habit of scoffing or to making judgements based on their own limited experience in small puddle jumper, low powered yachts with only 10 or 15 hp in them.

Perhaps the poster stating concern that it would rip the windlass out of his deck should consider why it is that he relies on the windlass to take such loads (they are not normally even made to take anchoring loads and the cable should be made off to a bollard or something that is designed to). Perhaps we should all be scoffing at him?

Obviously, it worked in the situation described and for the reasons stated - or are people contesting the truth of that?

John
 
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Obviously, it worked in the situation described and for the reasons stated - or are people contesting the truth of that?

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I thought ppl were just discussing WHY it worked and HOW it worked so they could understand it better ...
Why should we accept anything at face value? It is far better to question a method to better understand it (and perhaps develop it) rather than just repeat everything you've been told parrot fashion ...
 
Headline grabbing

Funnily enough, I was thinking the same but when you see the headline which implies that the method is daft you can understand the reply. Praps a hint that a more temperate style of headline would be appropriate? On this board I doubt it tho'!
 
Going astern ..... Utter twaddle !!

But then again I have a windlass ......

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Well, that'll be me you're referring to, then. First off, these forums are about learning, contributing and entertaining. 'Scoffing' at other member's comments is not in the spirit of these forums so if you've got a point to make, please make it in a less offensive manner
As it happens, I agree with your comment in principle but, in practice, few production boats have a strongpoint on the foredeck as such and, in my experience, most boaters dont bother making off the anchor chain to a cleat or anything else so my comment about ripping the winch out by going astern was valid IMHO especially with a motorboat which can generate a lot more force than a yacht
 
Making off anchor rodes ...

<<in practice, few production boats have a strongpoint on the foredeck as such and, in my experience, most boaters dont bother making off the anchor chain to a cleat or anything else>>

Sorry but most raggies CAN and DO make off the anchor chains .... unless they are girt big jobbies with big gypsy's etc.

OK - a lot of mobo's only have a light mooring cleat etc. on deck, but to say MOST don't is not actually true ....

AND further that if you do not have a suitable strong point ... to motor astern in the strongest holding direction of an anchor surely is not logical ? Even if shortened scope. Motoring fwd and against the designed direction of anchor holding - now that makes sense.....
 
I believe that in most cases the clutch will slip before the windlass is ripped out. In Pollensa, Mallorca, this summer we watched a largish motor boat sheering about in a gusty force 5 or so, and emitting alarming graunching noises as the clutch either slipped or the chain jumped over the gypsy. Just as we were debating the merits of boarding to try to attach the chain to a strong point, the owners returned from ashore and moved on.
 
Yes, you're probably right. Criminal to leave a boat in those conditions relying on just the gypsy clutch. I can assure that not all mobo owners are so careless
 
Re: Making off anchor rodes ...

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AND further that if you do not have a suitable strong point ... to motor astern in the strongest holding direction of an anchor surely is not logical ? Even if shortened scope. Motoring fwd and against the designed direction of anchor holding - now that makes sense.....

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Er, thats exactly my point
 
Was our favourite maritime feline a little tired when writing this - never known you so tetchy!

Gidday Claymore. Have been away for some weeks working and living day and night on an assignment with a very clever team. Kinda puts one in the mood to poke a stick in the eyes of some talking twattle (errr, whatever the twat version of "twaddle" is - er maybe "prattle" is the word I am seeking, well maybe so if a twat is a prat?) on the forum.

I am sure that you know what I mean - Te he.

PS Deleted User no dig at you meant. Just using your post as an example of something said that should be read in the context of your own situation (just as should the article the thread originally referred to) of a pleasure planing MoBo - lots of power and normally no bollard - I thought it was clear that I was not promoting scoffing at your comment, just that maybe posters of the narrow perspectived ilk, such as the original poster, would be inclined to. Happy to apologise if gave you offense.

John
 
Re: mote,eye, cast etc . . .

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posters of the narrow perspectived ilk, such as the original poster

[/ QUOTE ] Ships Cat, you of the 'three times scope is always enough if you know what you are doing' nonsense, are in no position to question the width of others' perspectives IMHO.

You just carry on anchoring with a scope of 3 x depth no matter what the conditions and enjoy retrieving your hook by going hard astern with your massive engine. I will rest secure in the knowledge that you will not be doing it in any anchorage I frequent in my "small puddle jumper, low powered yacht".

- Nick
 
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