Modern anchors

[sighmoon]

We currently have a genuine 35lb CQR, which in all honesty has been completely fine, but hasn't really been tested in bad weather or poor ground. The 35lb CQR is a bit of a wriggle to get through the pushpit which has a smaller than normal opening*, and is also the biggest anchor that will fit in the anchor locker.

Would a 'next generation' anchor of the same weight fit through the same holes? I'm imagining the flukes would be bigger.

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*a bigger anchor would fit through the hole but need a man stronger than me to get it on and off the roller
- just to add, the current bow fitting isn't the right shape to allow an anchor to stow on the roller]

 

[fireball]

I have a similar conundrum to you - although ours is a CQR copy and I don't wish to try it in bad weather!
We do not store ours on the bow because we're on a swinging mooring - and it would foul the mooring lines.
I have recently acquired a Delta that will be tested for fitting soon ... I'm hoping it fits through the pullpit bars as I know it's a better anchor than our current one.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

.... Would a 'next generation' anchor of the same weight fit through the same holes? I'm imagining the flukes would be bigger.....

The long answer is yes a new generation anchor will fit through. I have a 60 lb CQR bower and the Rocna, Spade and whats it name all fit through my pull pit gap (side and forward strut to deck). They are also lighter.

The short answer is get the dimensions from the web and check. I guess you know that and can't at the moment.

Below is my bow which is a bit similar to yours.

 

[Bosun Higgs]

Would a 'next generation' anchor of the same weight fit through the same holes? I'm imagining the flukes would be bigger.

Likely no. I have a 35 CQR, and also has a 35 Rocna now swapped for the equivalent Manson Supreme. Both the latter two are far harder to stow and handle than the CQR was but if teste are to be believed, they hold better.

You can get a pdf of the shape of the new anchors so that you can build a cardboard template and check whether they fit your boat I can send you the one for the Manson if you pm me your email address.

 

[sighmoon]

The long answer is yes a new generation anchor will fit through. I have a 60 lb CQR bower and the Rocna, Spade and whats it name all fit through my pull pit gap (side and forward strut to deck). They are also lighter.

The short answer is get the dimensions from the web and check. I guess you know that and can't at the moment.

Below is my bow which is a bit similar to yours.

Our pushpit has an extra bar in the middle to make it awkward.

Interesting that your CQR is 60lb - your boat's a little heavier but we have more windage. I think we'd probably go for the same weight of modern anchor, and extra peace of mind.

As it's a jiggle, it will be hard to work out from dimensions. I think I'll wait till I have a neighbour who has what I'm looking for and lets me try it.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Our pushpit has an extra bar in the middle ..... Interesting that your CQR is 60lb - your boat's a little heavier ....

I didn't notice the extra bar but I now see why that would be awkward. I am 41' LOA at 22000 lbs. The picture is a bit deceptive as I have a high bow, the hull flares down towards the stern, a bit tug / trawler like when seen from the stern; a lot of shear when its windy.

I handle the anchor by using a line on the bar at the back of the plough. I pull the line up and let the anchor fall onto its side within the roller. I then haul on the stock and pull the anchor back, lifting the line more until the plough is on the roller cheeks. Then its wriggled a bit until I can grab the stock near to the hinge and lift it in and clear. There is a locker on the starboard bow about 4' back.

 

[NormanS]

I didn't notice the extra bar but I now see why that would be awkward. I am 41' LOA at 22000 lbs. The picture is a bit deceptive as I have a high bow, the hull flares down towards the stern, a bit tug / trawler like when seen from the stern; a lot of shear when its windy.

I handle the anchor by using a line on the bar at the back of the plough. I pull the line up and let the anchor fall onto its side within the roller. I then haul on the stock and pull the anchor back, lifting the line more until the plough is on the roller cheeks. Then its wriggled a bit until I can grab the stock near to the hinge and lift it in and clear. There is a locker on the starboard bow about 4' back.

Actually, (pedant mode), your anchor doesn't have a stock.

 

[fishermantwo]

We currently have a genuine 35lb CQR, which in all honesty has been completely fine, but hasn't really been tested in bad weather or poor ground. The 35lb CQR is a bit of a wriggle to get through the pushpit which has a smaller than normal opening*, and is also the biggest anchor that will fit in the anchor locker.

Would a 'next generation' anchor of the same weight fit through the same holes? I'm imagining the flukes would be bigger.

I have a similar set up. I downloaded the pdf file from Rocna and made a timber version. Fitting through the pushpit was a bit of a struggle but the roll bar made it impossible to fit in the anchor well. The CQR with a bit of movement with the joint does make stowing easier. It makes deploying awkward though and fixed shank modern anchor which would probably be lighter as well is easier in this regard. I tried a timber version of a spade but this did not fit the well either and settled on an Ultra as the ideal. I can't afford an Ultra of course so I have started construction of my own in SS.

 

[vyv_cox]

The shanks of Delta and Rocna are essentially identical, so a Delta (no roll bar) would perhaps fit? Not a new generation anchor, of course, but in my experience significantly better than a CQR.

 

[Robin]

Is it just me but I wonder why a 38 footer would have a bow roller that is unsuitable for anchor stowage, especially as the pulpit design makes bringing an anchor on board extremely difficult?

Is a better solution to look at ways of improving (even changing) the existing bow roller such that you then have a free choice of anchor design and size?

 

[sighmoon]

Is it just me but I wonder why a 38 footer would have a bow roller that is unsuitable for anchor stowage, especially as the pulpit design makes bringing an anchor on board extremely difficult?

Is a better solution to look at ways of improving (even changing) the existing bow roller such that you then have a free choice of anchor design and size?

It's a performance oriented boat. They offered a cruising version with two bigger, better rollers, but the first owner specified the little one. I take your point though - a redesign of the pushpit might be in order at some point.

 

[estarzinger]

35lb CQR . . . Would a 'next generation' anchor of the same weight fit through the same holes? I'm imagining the flukes would be bigger.

Just to provide a few facts on the specific question

35lb CQR width of blade = 328mm
35lb Manson Supreme width of blade = 360mm

35lb CQR height (blade tip to knuckle) = 394mm
35lb Manson height = 415mm

So, the manson is only a little bigger. I suspect the Spade would be very similar in size to the CQR and would fit thru your opening.

 

[snooks]

Would a 'next generation' anchor of the same weight fit through the same holes? I'm imagining the flukes would be bigger.

A Spade would probably fit.

I have a 15kg, but it has to be stowed in the locker shank first.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Just to provide a few facts on the specific question

35lb CQR width of blade = 328mm
35lb Manson Supreme width of blade = 360mm

35lb CQR height (blade tip to knuckle) = 394mm
35lb Manson height = 415mm

So, the manson is only a little bigger. I suspect the Spade would be very similar in size to the CQR and would fit thru your opening.

I thought that new generation anchors were lighter when compared to older sizes for the same vessel. Of course that doesn't mean they would be dimensionally smaller. For example: the Spade aluminium is 20 lb for my vessel, Spade steel is 44 lb, my CQR is 60 lb. Both the Spades have the same area.

So a new generation anchor for Sighmoon's yacht may be physically smaller.

 

[estarzinger]

I thought that new generation anchors were lighter when compared to older sizes for the same vessel.

Two things . . . First, the OP specifically asked about the same weight anchors: "Would a 'next generation' anchor of the same weight fit through the same holes?" and Second, the next gen anchor manufacturers have mostly NOT backed up their marketing claims with 'one size smaller' anchor sizing recommendations. Here are the recommended boat sizes for the '35lb' anchors: 35lb CQR 38'-48', 35lb Supreme 35'-40', 33lb steel spade 35'-41', 33lb ROCNA 26' - 39'

Regarding Spate dimensions . . .
"35lb CQR height (blade tip to knuckle) = 394mm
35lb Manson height = 415mm"
For the Spade 33', this is = 400mm, so very similar to the CQR

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Two things . . .

There is no need for hubris. Holding power has little to do with mass of the anchor where resistance to shear is the mechanism holding the anchor in place. It is at best a rather indirect indicator. The OP was offered an alternative approach which might address his problem.

 

[NormanS]

There is no need for hubris. Holding power has little to do with mass of the anchor where resistance to shear is the mechanism holding the anchor in place. It is at best a rather indirect indicator. The OP was offered an alternative approach which might address his problem.

No, but mass may have a lot to do with the initial penetration into the seabed.

 

[snooks]

No, but mass may have a lot to do with the initial penetration into the seabed.

Don't tell fortress anchors that!

 

[NormanS]

Don't tell fortress anchors that!

That's what gives me reservations about, what I'm sure is an excellent anchor. I do know from personal experience that a "heavy" anchor can sometimes get down through both soft sloppy stuff, and hard firm stuff, better than a light anchor.

 

[fishermantwo]

A Spade would probably fit.

I have a 15kg, but it has to be stowed in the locker shank first.

You are probably right snooks. I use a rope and chain rode that stows in the well as well. Sighmoon has the chain in a separate locker so a Spade would probably fit similar to yours. Its the reduced height clearance in my anchor locker caused by the rope and chain rode that prevents a Spade being used. The Ultra has a similar stock as the Rocna and fits.

In sighmoons case the Spade would be an easier anchor to manoeuvre through the pushpit one handed to launch because of the better balance with the weighted tip.