MMSI "inheritance"

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the latest acquisition has already dsc radio, I am assuming it has been properly licensed and assigned.

My question is do I need to apply for a variation in the licence using the boat as a reference, or start a whole new application and be assigned yet another MMSI number?
Also, if that is the case, is there a hack for the standard horizon gx1500S to reset. Manual says you cannot update mmsi if already programmed without sending back for a factory reset. Must be a way around that?
 
MMSI stays with the boat AFAIK. Just take ownership of the MMSI number with a licence in your name.
 
You should be able to find the current MMSI on the radio. Go through the DSC menus.
 
I have just logged in to my ofcom account, there does not seem to be any obvious way to go about this online. If any of you clever fellows have a link please let me know. Otherwise I will call them tomorrow to sort it out.
 
solent clown said:
I have just logged in to my ofcom account, there does not seem to be any obvious way to go about this online. If any of you clever fellows have a link please let me know. Otherwise I will call them tomorrow to sort it out.
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You need a new license, it's a ship radio license.
 
PaulRainbow said:
You need a new license, it's a ship radio license.
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Hi Paul, perhaps you can sort my confusion. So far our licences have been applied for for "new" sets. portable and ships. My confusion stems from the process with this (first DSC) and whether I apply for an entirely new licence or a variation of the current one as applied to the boat. It is a government organisation, so I am not holding my breath that they have a simple way to do it :D
 
solent clown said:
My question is do I need to apply for a variation in the licence using the boat as a reference, or start a whole new application and be assigned yet another MMSI number?
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You apply for a new ship licence, but keep the callsign and MMSI already allocated to the boat - a bit like the way a car keeps its registration number when you buy it. It's seven years since I did this, but when I did it was one short and friendly call to Ofcom.
 
solent clown said:
Hi Paul, perhaps you can sort my confusion. So far our licences have been applied for for "new" sets. portable and ships. My confusion stems from the process with this (first DSC) and whether I apply for an entirely new licence or a variation of the current one as applied to the boat. It is a government organisation, so I am not holding my breath that they have a simple way to do it :D
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Mark, you need to apply for a new license. 2 or 3 pages in you will be asked for the vessel details, you can put in the boat name, SSR no, MMSI, call sign, if you know them. If there is no SSR no, ignore it. You will need to put the MMSI in, or you'll get a new one, not what you want. It asks for the previous owners name and address, you should know that. If you don't know the call sign you might be able to look it up on the Mars database, if you know the boats name and the previous owners name.

https://www.itu.int/mmsapp/ShipStation/list
 
JumbleDuck said:
You apply for a new ship licence, but keep the callsign and MMSI already allocated to the boat - a bit like the way a car keeps its registration number when you buy it. It's seven years since I did this, but when I did it was one short and friendly call to Ofcom.
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Cool, that is what I had hoped. I will call them. i just don't want the hassle of dismantling the radio to send it for resetting. When we move the boat I will give the CG a phone call if we have not sorted it by then so they can put something on a post it note on the operators desks! Will take the portable too.
 
PaulRainbow said:
Mark, you need to apply for a new license. 2 or 3 pages in you will be asked for the vessel details, you can put in the boat name, SSR no, MMSI, call sign, if you know them. If there is no SSR no, ignore it. You will need to put the MMSI in, or you'll get a new one, not what you want. It asks for the previous owners name and address, you should know that. If you don't know the call sign you might be able to look it up on the Mars database, if you know the boats name and the previous owners name.

https://www.itu.int/mmsapp/ShipStation/list
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cheers paul, I think I have all the info you mentioned, I wish I had bloody gone through the radio for mmsi today when we were there, chances are next time we get there will be moving day
 
CLB said:
MMSI stays with the boat AFAIK. Just take ownership of the MMSI number with a licence in your name.
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You can't do that. I assume the OP has bought a second hand radio with an MMSI programmed into it. This MMSI will be allocated to another boat which may have other GMDSS equipment on it with the same MMSI programmed in - a new DSC radio for example. The MMSI always stays with the boat (except for hand held VHF DSC radios which must have their own separate licence and MMSI)

If the OP does not yet have a ship's radio licence for his boat, then this must be applied for online, an MMSI will be generated for the boat and this must be programmed into the radio.

If the OP already has a ship's radio licence with no MMSI yet allocated ie no DSC equipment listed, then logon to your Ofcom account, go to your ships licence and click on amend. Navigate through the pages to where all of the equipment is listed and ADD a VHF DSC radio. Adding this will automatically generate an MMSI for the licence, which is then programmed into the radio.
 
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mikemanor said:
You can't do that. I assume the OP has bought a second hand radio with an MMSI programmed into it. This MMSI will be allocated to another boat which may have other GMDSS equipment on it with the same MMSI programmed in - a new DSC radio for example. The MMSI always stays with the boat (except for hand held VHF DSC radios which must have their own separate licence and MMSI)

If the OP does not yet have a ship's radio licence for his boat, then this must be applied for online, an MMSI will be generated for the boat and this must be programmed into the radio.

If the OP already has a ship's radio licence with no MMSI yet allocated ie no DSC equipment listed, then logon to your Ofcom account, go to your ships licence and click on amend. Navigate through the pages to where all of the equipment is listed and ADD a VHF DSC radio. Adding this will automatically generate an MMSI for the licence, which is then programmed into the radio.
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Yes he can. You didn't read the OP properly. He has bought a boat with a DSC radio already onboard with a number already allocated.
 
mikemanor said:
You can't do that. I assume the OP has bought a second hand radio with an MMSI programmed into it. This MMSI will be allocated to another boat which may have other GMDSS equipment on it with the same MMSI programmed in - a new DSC radio for example. The MMSI always stays with the boat (except for hand held VHF DSC radios which must have their own separate licence and MMSI)

If the OP does not yet have a ship's radio licence for his boat, then this must be applied for online, an MMSI will be generated for the boat and this must be programmed into the radio.

If the OP already has a ship's radio licence with no MMSI yet allocated ie no DSC equipment listed, then logon to your Ofcom account, go to your ships licence and click on amend. Navigate through the pages to where all of the equipment is listed and ADD a VHF DSC radio. Adding this will automatically generate an MMSI for the licence, which is then programmed into the radio.
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sorry I was not clear, we have just bought a boat with dsc radio, the previous owner was a fastidious and responsible chap, so I assume it was correctly licensed and an MMSI and licence issued. As there is a security protocol with dsc radios it is not a simple matter to change the MMSI, hence the reason for the question. We have previously licensed portable and ships radios, but not a DSC radio or one inherited from a previous owner of a boat we purchased. The question was really about trying to keep the MMSI and modify/change the license into my name. I think I have a handle on it now. If I cannot get it done before we move the boat I will do as I posted above just in case we get in to trouble/strike a mermaid/come across an oil tanker that needs a tow :D
 
The process is simple, the MMSI and call sign belong to the boat. When the boat changes hands the new owner takes out a new ships radio license, entering the previously allocated call sign and MMSI. Job done :encouragement:
 
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