Melted thermostat? Mariner (Yamaha?) 6Hp 2-stroke

Nimrod18

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Today I started my Mariner 6Hp 2 stroke for the first time. The motor came with my trailer sailer but, in the 4 years I've had the boat, I've never used the motor (Rutland is electrics-only for us sailors).

I did my due diligence on the fuel tank, filter, impeller and gearbox oil. The carb and thermostat I took on risk.

In a bucket of water, she started today on the second pull and ran sweetly, with plenty of cooling water, lovely tick over and smooth response across the rev range. However, the cylinder head covers (and rest of engine) didn't get beyond lukewarm. What's more, if I increased revs, the covers actually cooled down to almost chilly and stayed there. I figured that the thermostat might be stuck open, so I took the cover off to reveal what you'll see in the photos.

The thermostat is firmly wedged open and won't budge.

There doesn't appear to be a spring.

Around the top of the thermostat is a deformed piece of plastic, that appears to have partially melted and started to flow in the direction of the water channel. In fact, it had moulded to the shape of the channel and it took a bit of "persuading" to come out.

So august YBW collective, my questions three:

What on earth is the deformed piece of plastic?

If it's part of the design of "old" thermostats, what will have caused it to deform?

Anyone know if I can replace it with a "modern" one?

Herewith the details of the motor:

6Hp 2 stroke, long leg.

Labelled as Mariner. However, the serial number corresponds to a 1980 Yamaha (a bit of research on Brunswick suggests that Yamaha took over Mariner that year, though I've not validated that fact).

Serial plate says: 6ML (top row) 6H6 L 306325 (bottom row).

Grateful in advance for your assistance.

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I would be tempted to get a new thermostat fitted and test run the engine under load and see how it performs. There is though something that doesn't look right with that thermosat, apart from the melted bit.
 
Thanks both. Agree it needs replacing. None of those I see online have that piece of plastic on top, and I don't know the original part number. I'm going to take a punt that a thermostat designed for a newer Yamaha 6Hp will fit but, before I do, just wanted to see if anyone had any enhanced knowledge out there.
 
Today I started my Mariner 6Hp 2 stroke for the first time.

The thermostat is firmly wedged open and won't budge.





Grateful in advance for your assistance.

It must have seriously overheated at some point to have caused the plastic collar to melt!

Keep fingers crossed that it has done no serious damage to pistons or cylinders. A compression test might be worth doing if you own, can borrow or steal a gauge.

You will see from the diagram and parts list below that the collar is no longer avaialble so you will have to make/ imrovise something to take its place . There is no spring shown

The thermostat is available at a price and should be avaialble from a Merc / Mariner dealer

When I found my Evinrude 'stat stuck open I soaked it in Cillit Bang "Limescale and Shine" to clean it up, gently exercised it with my fingers until it operated freely, checked that it opened at the correct temperture and opened fully ... which it did ... and reinstalled it. Maybe yours will respond to the same treatment

Early Mariners were rebadged Yamahas . They do not support anything before 1984. Mercury and Mariner still support the old rebadged models however

https://www.boats.net/catalog/mercu...gium-cat-90-17158/crankcase-and-cylinder-head
 
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VicS

Great reply and thanks for the link - gold dust.

Just need to figure out how to replace the collar....
 
VicS

Great reply and thanks for the link - gold dust.

Just need to figure out how to replace the collar....

Its possible that a dealer somewhere will still have them in stock. Worth trying someone like Outboards direct , aka Oakley Marine in Brighton

Marineengine in the USA list them as NLA but apparently still have 10 in stock ...... at $19 though ... They don't ship outside the USA any way, but if you happen to have any friends or family over there....

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Spare thermostat and collar ordered. Thanks for the steers.

Bit of conjecture here: I suspect that the plastic collar is designed to hold the thermostat in position under routine conditions, but melt (thereby letting the thermostat unseat upwards) if the temperature gets alarmingly hot. In that way, if the thermostat should stick in the closed position, the sacrifice of the collar would save the engine.

I'm basing that on 2 things:

1. The collar is the only plastic thing that I can see in the engine - why else have a piece of plastic right next to the cylinder head, when the thermostat could have been held in place with a 10p spring clip?

2. My shrunken, deformed collar appears to be substantially less deep that the part that I have ordered, suggesting it contracted in the heat.

As a result, I figure not worth bodging my own collar so I've gone for an OEM (about £20 inc shipping).

I'll post again once they're installed.
 
To complete this thread, new thermostat and collar arrived. The collar was about 1mm too "proud" when installed, so I took a bit off on the belt sander. All refitted, enigune running sweetly and warmly.

Thanks again for those who gave me steers.

Thread ends.
 
To complete this thread, new thermostat and collar arrived. The collar was about 1mm too "proud" when installed, so I took a bit off on the belt sander. All refitted, enigune running sweetly and warmly.

Thanks again for those who gave me steers.

Thread ends.

Thanks for the feedback
 
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