MBY - T58

[benjenbav]

Interesting article on the evolution of the design. A few observations:

It looks like they have finally listened to jfm about the cleats on the transom. Bet they remove the lower set before hull 1 is released, tho'.

I was fascinated and impressed to read the rationale for steps between models and duly noted the official F/L branding line which grated a bit with Hugo's editorial trumpetings about the need for brand to follow iconic design.

Why are the front seats in my Range Rover so much better than the driver's seat in this boat costing ten times as much? It was a bit woeful to see a mock up with David Marsh having to reach for the controls in a way which none of us would accept in our cars and which would have me in traction within the week.

Did David Marsh get a thesaurus for his birthday? - The first couple of para's are enough to fill in a complete boardroom bingo card - "synergised", forsooth.

I think that this boat is going to be a real winner overall, despite my dislike of the mansard-y crew cave window and I thought the passerelle cum swim ladder was especially neat!

 

[jfm]

Interesting article on the evolution of the design. A few observations:

It looks like they have finally listened to jfm about the cleats on the transom. Bet they remove the lower set before hull 1 is released, tho'.

I was fascinated and impressed to read the rationale for steps between models and duly noted the official F/L branding line which grated a bit with Hugo's editorial trumpetings about the need for brand to follow iconic design.

Why are the front seats in my Range Rover so much better than the driver's seat in this boat costing ten times as much? It was a bit woeful to see a mock up with David Marsh having to reach for the controls in a way which none of us would accept in our cars and which would have me in traction within the week.

Did David Marsh get a thesaurus for his birthday? - The first couple of para's are enough to fill in a complete boardroom bingo card - "synergised", forsooth.

I think that this boat is going to be a real winner overall, despite my dislike of the mansard-y crew cave window and I thought the passerelle cum swim ladder was especially neat!

I read it too. I agree, the swim ladder/passerelle is a work of art. I'd love to retrofit that but life is too short for such heavyweight retro engineering! I quite like the transom windows, if only they'd tint them full black like a chrysler voyager. I've talked to them about this but they just dont want to, but say they could do it to order perhaps. I dont get it. And yep, the aft cleats are at least on the corners, phew, though custom fairleads would be much nicer

I'd hoped they'd use the Recaro seats which are fantastic (I've done 200hours in them this summer!), but the website CAD renderings suggest not. The wooden mock ups were just cheap n cheerful mock ups I guess

I like the boat a lot but I'd be very concerned about (what I think are) big electric side windows. The mechanisms on this sort of stuff just dont last and they develop a non smooth action in years 3-4 of their life. On my old Sq58 I hated the juddery electic windows and disabled them. Access to the mechanism to improve them involves seriously ripping the saloon furniture apart. Fortunately the newer Sq58 has no opeing windows in the saloon. In warm climes you never open them anyway so I wish they'd just leave the sodding things glued shut

There is meant to be a clever tender system for T58 but I dont know what it is. I'm guessing it goes under the bathing platform, which could be neat. Anyone know?

Quite a nice looking boat, imho

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Agree on electric windows. Had them on my previous boat, an AZ46, and the one next to the lower helm decided to fail in the open position in the middle of a roughish passage with spray being chucked over that side of the boat. Swore never to buy another boat with electric windows after that

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

yes those windows on the Azimut 46 and similar always fail once
I think builder which make this should make them able to operate manually in case of emergency
they should make that change in the glass transom window in the options list IMO on this new model as well as the 65 Squadron
really some of these major builders when they put an idea in there head is very difficult to change there mind

OT Deleted User how do you recognize a 46 from a 480?

 

[jfm]

they should make that change in the glass transom window in the options list IMO on this new model as well as the 65 Squadron
really some of these major builders when they put an idea in there head is very difficult to change there mind

Yup, dead right there PY. FL seem to me to be very stubborn on this one. They think they've got it right to have hardly-tinted glass on this boat and the Sq65. Whereas we all think it makes the transom look shabbly, caravanny, and causes a severe loss of privacy. Looks especially bad in Med berths where the transom is on view. And looks bad at night when the cabin lights are on. It's soooooo obvious they should use full black tinted glass, as s'seeker do on the transom glass of hattan 70 and other models, yet FL don't get this.

Note, during the manufacture of the glass pieces (by Trend) they mask off the centre of the glass when they spray the edges borders in black (to hide the glue, same trick as car glass). If they didn't do the masking off, the whole glass panel would be sprayed black. So they could save cost here by cutting out a manufacturing process that the customers don't even want (ditto the electric windows -c ut out a manufacturing process, save cost, and customers are happier!)

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

OT Deleted User how do you recognize a 46 from a 480?

Are you talking about Ferretti? If so, the only difference is in the length of the hull itself which you can see as a deeper bathing platform on the 480. Basically, the 46 never achieved the speed the designers thought it would ie 26-27kts max instead of the usual Ferretti 30-32kts so, in order to squeeze larger engines into the boat and make it go faster, they lengthened the hull and rebranded it as the 480. Otherwise, in terms of layout and finish the 480 looks exactly the same as the 46 AFAIK. Later still, they took the 480 hull and restyled the interior with lighter wood and slightly different soft furnishings and called it the 500
Don't confuse the 46 with the 460 because they're different boats. The 460 was a development of the 430 which was a development of the 43

 

[stelican]

They have made a big mistake putting the master cabin fwd no better than the Targa 52 below decks pokey guest cabins, But hard top styling excellent
How much?

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Stelican if Fairline follows those plans they have 1) a full beam must cabin but to fore 2) and sound proofed by the waves with the shower heads being at the extreme of the bow
I was once on a Canados 58 with a similar layout 1990 construction anchored in a chop and at the time the owner made me notice the silence in his cabin thanks to the head at fore point
the cabin also felt double to other similar sized boats
I am sure they have a winner here

OT thanks Deleted User I just asked because someone brought what I think is a 480 locally (no model ensign), mostly because of that deeper platform you say, nice boat and softer lines compared to other Ferrettis, should know her well as I boarded in Genoa 1999 but some time passed now
I think the 500 had also a bit of a different hull altough based on your 46 in principle, that is also very nice and feels very big, the latest 460 was nice too and I think Ferretti where a bit fast in changing ii in 2008 after four years and over 90 deliveries
the 460 is Ferretti second best sold model after the 53/530 (about 120 in 10 years)