itsonlymoney
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Totally agree....In these days of make a "risk assesment" before you can even start work its a wonder anything at all gets done. Much safer to stay in bed, but as you say even thats a risk.
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PCUK
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Parachute drogues work equally well on mobo's so I'm told.
RupertW
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Are you sure that's so. This may be my raggie ignorance but the newer breeds of higher sided hulls and bows in sailing boats won't stay up into wind when using drogues from the bows as the bows get blown away to a dangerous semi-sideways angle. I would have thought that mobos would suffer even more from that problem.
Trailing a drogue from the stern on most mobos might expose some pretty open cockpits and doors to oncoming waves. My understanding of the best mobo tactic in extreme conditions is pointing the bows at waves and using enough power to hold station and steerage way.
Trailing a drogue from the stern on most mobos might expose some pretty open cockpits and doors to oncoming waves. My understanding of the best mobo tactic in extreme conditions is pointing the bows at waves and using enough power to hold station and steerage way.
Dave_Snelson
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I would agree with you. Sitting stern on to waves in V bad weather is dangerous on an open cokpit mobo, to the point of sinking your vessel.
Bow on and holding station in extreme conditions can get you through.
Bow on and holding station in extreme conditions can get you through.
PCUK
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Rupert's right, I'm not totally sure!
Maybe a combination of engine and drogue?
Maybe a combination of engine and drogue?
oldgit
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The chap obviously is not a long term reader of that mag.A search through back copies of a few years ago would produce the epic tale of another Trader ???,quite a large one,which although well manned and with experienced crew capsized attempting the the same trip.Really depends on summer or winter passage perhaps.
David_Jersey
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I think it is very silly. Should have gone in convoy, if he had dropped me a line I would have told him when I was going, with a Bayliner Bowrider. I could have "dropped him off" enroute to me going South to the Falklands. (don't worry I will be careful with the Weather and I have a flare /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif)
oldgit
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Spose I will have to go into the blurry newsagent and have a crafty shufty at the mag to see what the article actually ses now.
Ships_Cat
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I think that your concern is misplaced. I am in NZ and it is approx 1,200 nm to the north or west to the nearest land of any significant size (and many thousands to the east) through what can be very inhospitable temperate seas.
Yet small power boats of many kinds (including sports rather than trawler and heavier displacement type boats) regularly make the voyage and I do not recall one ever being lost or needing other serious rescue (whereas sailboats are regularly lost) with the main limit on their capability being the ability to carry the fuel needed for the voyage. These voyages are made for pleasure, or for repositioning the vessel after sale or purchase offhore.
Any boat once it is capable of more than 9-10 knots can easily be weather routed across such distances.
As to single handing, that is another matter but is irrelevant to the capabilities of boats making the voyage. Opinions on that are only based around the safety of watchkeeping and I see that as being much easier on a MoBo than a sailboat (for all the rope pulling, sail changing, slow speed matters already pointed out by another.
For us here, such voyages are commonplace (as I know they also are in some other parts of the world), perhaps you can take some solace from that being so.
John
Yet small power boats of many kinds (including sports rather than trawler and heavier displacement type boats) regularly make the voyage and I do not recall one ever being lost or needing other serious rescue (whereas sailboats are regularly lost) with the main limit on their capability being the ability to carry the fuel needed for the voyage. These voyages are made for pleasure, or for repositioning the vessel after sale or purchase offhore.
Any boat once it is capable of more than 9-10 knots can easily be weather routed across such distances.
As to single handing, that is another matter but is irrelevant to the capabilities of boats making the voyage. Opinions on that are only based around the safety of watchkeeping and I see that as being much easier on a MoBo than a sailboat (for all the rope pulling, sail changing, slow speed matters already pointed out by another.
For us here, such voyages are commonplace (as I know they also are in some other parts of the world), perhaps you can take some solace from that being so.
John
pelicanpete
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I know of plenty of people that have sailed from Cuba to Florida through the Gulf Stream and the "Bermuda Triangle"................on an inner-tube.
Lakesailor
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lots of raggies do that same trip single handed, why should it be more foolhardy in a well prepared suitable mobo?
[/ QUOTE ] to take that point further. How many sailors (including MOBOs) although they have "crew" are de facto single handed?
Does having the wife and kids (who often only come if it's a nice day) or some mates or some-one you met in a pub and says they have "done the Pond a few times" any safer. If you analyse your boating, are you not a lone sailor a great deal of the time?
And if they family unit gets into difficulty doesn't that make the rescuers' work more dangerous, yet more imperative?
(I know a whole horde will now tell me that their SWMBO has Competent Crew or Day Skipper etc. But we aren't talking about you, are we?)
lots of raggies do that same trip single handed, why should it be more foolhardy in a well prepared suitable mobo?
[/ QUOTE ] to take that point further. How many sailors (including MOBOs) although they have "crew" are de facto single handed?
Does having the wife and kids (who often only come if it's a nice day) or some mates or some-one you met in a pub and says they have "done the Pond a few times" any safer. If you analyse your boating, are you not a lone sailor a great deal of the time?
And if they family unit gets into difficulty doesn't that make the rescuers' work more dangerous, yet more imperative?
(I know a whole horde will now tell me that their SWMBO has Competent Crew or Day Skipper etc. But we aren't talking about you, are we?)
David_Jersey
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Good point Lakesailor.
Thinking about it (I do this sometimes BEFORE posting!....... but only sometimes /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) I probably do regard any voyages as singlehanded and plan accordingly, except sometimes I have extra pairs of hands for conveniance from folk whose main criterion as crew is that none of us will end trying to strangle each other by being cooped up on a boat. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
But then again I do not tend to usually do anything "adventurous" (not deliberately anyway) or away from my hom patch.
Thinking about it (I do this sometimes BEFORE posting!....... but only sometimes /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) I probably do regard any voyages as singlehanded and plan accordingly, except sometimes I have extra pairs of hands for conveniance from folk whose main criterion as crew is that none of us will end trying to strangle each other by being cooped up on a boat. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
But then again I do not tend to usually do anything "adventurous" (not deliberately anyway) or away from my hom patch.
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John, I know antipodeans are made of sterner stuff than we wimpy Brits but I find it hard to believe that many mobos are doing 1200nm voyages because most mobos don't have anywhere near that range even @ 9-10knots. A typical Brit mobo has a range of 300nm or less
Ships_Cat
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Hi Mike
As I said, the limit is having the ability (ie the displacement, as temporary tanks are often fitted if required) to carry the fuel.
I was unaware of such voyages until some years ago when I was involved in a company that among many other things surveyed commercial vessels. The first time we were asked to survey a vessel here in NZ purchased by an Australian owner (was a statutory survey, not pre purchase) and I asked how it was going to be shipped I was politely told that it was not going to be shipped at all but sailed across the Tasman. It was mid 50's foot long that one and basically a hardchined sports fisherman type vessel which I suspect would be about the smallest to carry the fuel load without great complications. Subsequently there were a number of others we were directly involved in and many I just came aware of through being in the business.
Also, alot, alot between the Pacific Islands over quite large distances but that is in benign tropic/sub tropic waters, of course.
I have not seen the magazine article but I understand that the vessel was a GB44 which would, I assume, not have 1,200nm range and I don't know if it could carry the fuel load with temporary tankage. But I see no problem with it handling the voyage otherwise as long as weather routed. For small vessels on the NZ Register of Ships both sail and motor are required to submit to an inspection (by Yachting New Zealand inspectors, same ones who do the race boats for IYF Special Regulations) before departure and that requires shutters for windows, etc.
Another surprise a I got, along similar lines, was attending a board meeting of a client around 500nm from my home. Flew there and when coming back one of the directors who was an aviation enthusiast (owned an number of aircraft including ex military, etc) offered to fly me back. I have forgotten what the aircraft was but just a little low wing 2 plus 2 more squashed in the back seater, single engine but it had wing tanks and he routinely flew that across the Tasman (but would never with me!!!).
John
As I said, the limit is having the ability (ie the displacement, as temporary tanks are often fitted if required) to carry the fuel.
I was unaware of such voyages until some years ago when I was involved in a company that among many other things surveyed commercial vessels. The first time we were asked to survey a vessel here in NZ purchased by an Australian owner (was a statutory survey, not pre purchase) and I asked how it was going to be shipped I was politely told that it was not going to be shipped at all but sailed across the Tasman. It was mid 50's foot long that one and basically a hardchined sports fisherman type vessel which I suspect would be about the smallest to carry the fuel load without great complications. Subsequently there were a number of others we were directly involved in and many I just came aware of through being in the business.
Also, alot, alot between the Pacific Islands over quite large distances but that is in benign tropic/sub tropic waters, of course.
I have not seen the magazine article but I understand that the vessel was a GB44 which would, I assume, not have 1,200nm range and I don't know if it could carry the fuel load with temporary tankage. But I see no problem with it handling the voyage otherwise as long as weather routed. For small vessels on the NZ Register of Ships both sail and motor are required to submit to an inspection (by Yachting New Zealand inspectors, same ones who do the race boats for IYF Special Regulations) before departure and that requires shutters for windows, etc.
Another surprise a I got, along similar lines, was attending a board meeting of a client around 500nm from my home. Flew there and when coming back one of the directors who was an aviation enthusiast (owned an number of aircraft including ex military, etc) offered to fly me back. I have forgotten what the aircraft was but just a little low wing 2 plus 2 more squashed in the back seater, single engine but it had wing tanks and he routinely flew that across the Tasman (but would never with me!!!).
John
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nah, need radar with alarms and run wshilst kipping at say 8 knots. 380 miles full xing, not brill idea but not something the mag shd advise against imho.