Master <200gt, MCA v RYA Licencing - Any Lawyers about?

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The MCA, issue a "Certificate of Competency (STCW95) for Masters ---on Commercially and Privately Operated Yachts and Sail Training Vessels."
This will licence the holder in the "Capacity - Master & OOW, limitation Master Code Vessels less than 200gt OOW (Yachts less than 500gt unlimited).

The RYA, issue a "Certificate of Competence", endorsed "The certificate holder complies with STCW95 regulations V1/1 Sections V1/1-4. This certificate is valid for use as Master of yachts of up to 200gt on commercially and privately registered yachts. Valid for commercial use on vessels subject to the codes of practice issued by the MCA".

From the wording of the above, is there anyone who might be confused that both these "Certificates of Competency - Master <200gt", basically cover the same thing, or is it just me?


According to the MCA, when asking for some clarification, I received the following -

"The RYA certificates of competency are not STCW 95 regulated, even though such wording appears on their certificates. This means that certain Maritime Authorities, for example Spain and Denmark do not recognise these certificates. The MCA Master Code vessels < 200 gt certificate is a STCW certificate that we can issue and will be accepted by other STCW regulated authorities, however please be aware that this is a Master CODE vessels < 200gt ticket. This means the master element is restricted only to MCA coded vessels, the main component of this certificate being the OOW < 500gt."

Verbally, I was advised that RYA commercial endorsements, are ONLY valid whilst in UK waters and sometimes WHEN acceptable to foreign countries who's waters you may be sailing in.

This applies to anyone operating commercially offshore, with an RYA CoC.
 
Re: Master &lt;200gt, MCA v RYA Licencing - Any Lawyers about?

Are you saying that the Yachtmaster Commercial Endorsed certicate issued by that august body the RYA is a micky mouse qualification?

Whatever next!!

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Mmmmm! Able to read & understand gobbledeegook I see.

Since most assume that the RYA issue such commercial endorsements on behalf of the MCA, it shouldn't be "mickey mouse".

PS I think they issue them on other months of the year as well! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
From a quick read through it looks as if the RYA YM ticket is the basic training requirement for the MCA ticket which also has things like "Personal Safety and Social Responsibilities" /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

To be serious, it just seems to move on from the RYA ticket as you would expect for bigger boats.
 
Re: Master &lt;200gt, MCA v RYA Licencing - Any Lawyers about?

Nothing to do with having to have a minimum of 2 years sea time in a watch keeping capacity, submitting signed testimonials and a stamped and signed discharge book prior to being accepted on an MCA cousre then?

The RYA YM commercial endorsement is purely a leisure certificate, therefore in commercial terms a mickey mouse piece of paper. Undermined and endorsed by the RYA who issue an ICC for anybody who has done a day skipper practical to drive a vessel (sail or power!) up to 25m in length, with, in reality no experience or qualification to do so.

What do you expect?
 
Re: Master &lt;200gt, MCA v RYA Licencing - Any Lawyers about?

You are wrong about the ICC. It is issued to comply with UN Resolution 40. It does not permit you to do anything other than show another state that you are competent to skipper your boat when in their territorial waters.
 
Re: Master &lt;200gt, MCA v RYA Licencing - Any Lawyers about?

The ICC may comply with UN Resolution 40, but it means SFA in real terms.
As it actually does tell somebody that you are competent to be the master of a vessel up to 25m, sail or power after only doing day skipper practical. My two children (9 & 11) could do the day skipper course, but I wouldn't trust them to make decisions about handling a 25m boat! Although they know the theory of it very well.

Why do an RYA Yachtmaster, when you they give you the qualification on the ICC for having very little experience? Hence RYA & Yachtmaster & ICC = joke qualification. As the ICC and YM are the same qualification giving the holder the same power.

Whereas any STCW95 issued qualification is recognised worldwide as being an actual Certificate of Competance isssued by a government.
 
Re: Master &lt;200gt, MCA v RYA Licencing - Any Lawyers about?

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My two children (9 & 11) could do the day skipper course, but I wouldn't trust them to make decisions about handling a 25m boat!

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Which is why the RYA would not issue an ICC to them! Plus there is a minimum age for doing the Day Skipper course anyway and they are under it. What a stupid analogy to draw!






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Re: Master &amp;lt;200gt, MCA v RYA Licencing - Any Lawyers about?

Nothing to do with having to have a minimum of 2 years sea time in a watch keeping capacity, submitting signed testimonials and a stamped and signed discharge book prior to being accepted on an MCA cousre then?

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No, because the 'basic' Master 200gt, requires no discharge book evidence for the oral. Also, they are both Commercial & Private Vessels.

Big boat is not the issue, when both are <200gt.
After that, up to 3000gt is a different situation.
 
Re: Master &amp;lt;200gt, MCA v RYA Licencing - Any Lawyers about?

There is another, with almost identical wording to RYA endorsements, but non-RYA, issued by www.yachtmaster.com who claim - "M.C.A. Approves I.Y.T. “Master of Yachts 200 Tons” Certificates", which "reinforce IYT’s position as the world’s leader in professional yacht training".

Are these also a "mickey mouse" certificate, or is this accolade reserved only for the RYA?
 
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