Marina hoses banned

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I received a letter today from Pwllheli Marina saying that next month all marina hoses are going to be removed from both pontoons and boat storage areas. Everyone will have to provide their own. Apparently this is because of the Water Supply Regulations (1991). Welsh Water are enforcing this to prevent 'waste, undue consumption, misuse and contamination'. I can't imagine forcing this inconvenience on a few boat users is really going to prevent much waste, in an area of the country where it is regularly piddling with rain.

Is this being enforced nationwide, or is it just us unfortunates who keep boats in the wet part of the country?

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[robp]

The fact that the marina are probably paying for metered water, meant that they complied quite easily too? Hate to say it but it'll probably work. Haven't heard about it in the South, yet.

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[webcraft]

This seems like a huge hassle - if I'd tied up at Phwlilhi and paid my berthing charge for a night then found out I couldn't get any water I'd be pretty annoyed.

We often fill up at Crinan - it's £1 to fill tanks and £2 to wash the boat - seems quite reasonable to me, personally I would rather be charged than have to carry an extra item of gear where space is tight on board. I suppose if your lockers are just full of unused space then it's not a problem.

So that's Plwlhlihy off the visiting list then. Just as well - it's impossible to spell when writing up a passage plan . . .

- Nick

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[johna]

As a retired engineer who has worked the water industry I have been amazed at the allowed water usage in marinas. I have been known to upset owners by closing taps as I walk down the pontoon whenever I see hoses left running or worse when they are hanging in the water. I proposed to MDL that owners should have individual water meters just the same as they do for electricity to prevent wastefull use such as "child minding activities" (don't know what to do? Get the hose and wash the boat). Back siphonage is a real possibility with hoses on the marina just as it is with the garden hose. All hoses taps should have non-return valves and the regulations call for 100mm air break in supplies to tanks. I can only assume that the removal of hoses limits the liability to the quality of the supply to the marina tap and not the end of the hose. Cannot see that it will do anything for waste or pollution.


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[chriscallender]

Not uncommon I believe in French marinas already and I carry one of those flat packing hoses on a reel - its worked on the 1 or 2 occasions I've had to fill up with water on the other side of the channel and doesn't take up too much space - bit of a nuisance getting all of the water out to get it back on the reel though.

Chris

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[dulcibella]

You'll need to carry a range of adaptors for various UK/continental marina taps too. More kit to lose at the crucial moment!

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[wakeup]

Yes but once you've seen the boat opposite you clean its holding tank by putting the public hose all the way down inside their holding tank, you would carry your own anyway.........!!!!!!!!!!!

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[poter]

Yes they do have to comply with the water regs.
BUT, they can do it in a no of ways the easiest is to have their own tank then the water regs in regard to contamination are covered, as to waste, a simple meter on each outlet is one way with a payg type slot.
Most if not all water authorities are willing to discuss the implimetation of the regs. as its in their own interest.
How is the fact that the boat owners supplying their own hoses going to solve the problems with the water regs......doh!
Your marina management are looking at the easy way out & to cut down on maintanence

poter.


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[Talbot]

I have a flat packed hose that I bought through QVC. However, you don't need to get all the water out of the hose at the end you dont even have to unwind all the hose to use it, and it will still work even if you park a car on top of it /forums/images/icons/smile.gif It takes up a little more space than the average flat pack, but lots less than normal hose.

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[Peppermint]

Re: Marina hoses...

... are the home of lots of interesting organisms.

But then again so is the pipework beneath the pontoon and any hose you leave at the bottom of the locker with a bit of water in it.

I'm amazed water boards have waited this long before getting on the case.

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[LadyInBed]

Re: French marinas

je de même

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[Heckler]

Grytviken is in the Falklands?
anyway the reason i suspect is to stop back syphoning, the wazooks used to try and stop us restraunteurs connecting dishwashers direct to the mains because of this.
stu


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[grimmy]

I would have thought that MDL bertholders already pay enough to cover any amount of water usage many times over. I'm not sure I understand the concept of "wasting water" surely it falls out of the sky in sufficient quantities and will find its way to the sea by one route or another, from where it is recycled back into rain.
Surely it is the water companies function to husband this free resource and distribute it to where it is wanted in the quantities required by the user. Perhaps if the water companies spent more on their infrastucture and less on investing in "other activities" there wouldn't be a problem. If I told my customers to cut down on the usage of my product because I couln't supply enough, they would fall about with laughter.

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[BrendanS]

>>Surely it is the water companies function to husband this free resource and distribute it to where it is wanted in the quantities required by the user<<

It's hardly a free resource, nor limitless in this country. We often need rationing in peak dry seasons. If everyone uses it regardless of consequence as you seem to suggest, then the more conditions will be placed on its supply

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[bigmart]

Re: Ah but

A major part of the reason we have water shortages is because of the mis-management of the resource by the Water Companies & the Environment Agencies.

A lot of it is that old story of if you try to control Nature it will rise up & bite you on the arse.

Martin

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[Sybarite]

My experience is that water is always free in marinas in France (as is electricity) but hoses are never provided. Luckily at my marina a neighbouring boat always leaves his attached, neatly coiled, and doesn't mind the neighbours using it.

What is more annoying is that there are at least 3 or 4 different hose nozzle standards and you need to carry these if you are passing from one area to the next.

The only place I have ever had to pay for water was in the Scilly Isles. Even on the parched Med islands eg Porquerolles and Port Cros the water was free.

John

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[david_e]

Not had my letter yet but this is a potential nightmare, I wonder what the tourist board are thinking about it, because surely the same will be applied to other leisure sectors, campsites, caravan sites etc. Never realised that there was so much shortage, place is full of lakes and rivers etc.



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[extravert]

Sky was quite full of it last weekend as well.

I have tried replying to your PM but it won't work :-(

<hr width=100% size=1>One day, I want to be a real sailor. In the mean time I'll just keep tri-ing.

 

[Peppermint]

Campsites don't usually do hoses but they did get straightened out about non return valves a couple of years ago.

If you use a hose at home your supposed to fit them too.

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[Heckler]

david
i suspect that the prob is caused by concerns about back leakage into the supply from hoses dropped in the oggin. as i explained in an earlier post the water companies were getting bent out of shape about dish washers being connected permanently to the mains supply in restaurants and being concerned about greasy water being back fed into the mains
stu

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