MAIB ... and UK regulation

ParaHandy

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there's a MAIB report here abt a danish trawler bumping into a UK registered 2,000grt cargo boat in clear vis on 2 Nov 04 where the trawler had nobody on the bridge as the crew were all preparing the catch and the cargo ship had a single watchkeeper because t'other was cooking the supper. The trawler had what he thought were valid NUC lights up and expected everybody else to keep clear ... yes, that's true ...

The MCA issued a safe manning certificate in June 04 to the cargo ship for near coastal waters (within 150m of UK) requiring 5 crew. This manning proposal was presented to the MCA just days before the vessel was acquired by its owners. The previous admin authority, Netherlands, had also approved this manning level.

The MAIB commented:

Administrations are obliged to ensure that the proposals of ship owners and managers are reasonable, otherwise the requirement for approval is meaningless. However, Administrations have their own financial and political pressures, which interfere with this process. In this case, although the ship manager did not state that it would approach another Administration if its proposed manning for Scot Explorer was not generally accepted, the MCA was conscious that this was a likely course of action. Consequently, it had to decide whether to allow the vessel to trade between the UK and Scandinavia with fewer crew than similar vessels within the same company, or to lose the ship to another Administration, as had happened on other occasions. By approving the ship’s operation with a crew of five within defined geographical constraints, which was acceptable to the ship manager, the MCA was able to put the ship on its register and had some control on her operation.

The bit that interests me is the last sentence because something similar appears in the FSA's justification to regulate financial enterprises. Time and again, every life, insurance and securities cpys treat their customers like dirt, generally, because they have insufficient or adequately trained staff to handle the business. The FSA clucks disapprovement but nothing happens.

We might think we're the most over-regulated country in the world but, scratch the surface and a very different picture emerges ...
 
I have had similiar arguments over the last 20 yrs or so, from when these 'seasnakes' (coastal barges) started transitting our coasts ..... 5 ppl on board to take a 2500 - 3000t ship from europe a far as the w coast of eire .....
same bullshit from the dot suveyors then, and mca dudes now ...... I even pointed out that as many didnt have an engineer on board (due to using lorry engines or whatever) the mate or master was supposed to stop the vessel every so many hours, put nuc lights/shapes up and go down to the 'engineroom' to check things over, making an entry in the log books as appropriate - and questioned whether they really thought that that was happening - or was the bridge left unmanned by qualified ppl whilst it steamed onwards ..... same old tosh about not wanting to 'upset' the shipowners ......... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif yuk, many of these seasnakes are now registered under the red ensign .... /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
Para - I dont work in financial services (I dont work at all) but I do have some inside knowledge and "Time and again, every life, insurance and securities cpys treat their customers like dirt, generally, because they have insufficient or adequately trained staff to handle the business. The FSA clucks disapprovement but nothing happens." is absolute tosh. And grossly unfair.

You dont expect independant advice when you talk to the Ford salesman in your local garage, and you wont get it talking to a particular insurance companies salesman either. We all know that of course, and we take decisions on fairly straightforward financial products with that in mind and in the hope that we will win out. When we dont, we look for someone to blame to cover our embarrassment at making a what we see as a mistake. And its easy to blame the company - how are they going to disprove it? Will they have records of everything their salesman has said in a series of discussions several years ago?

I've even seen a maths teacher claim he couldnt understand pensions and therefore was conned!

Not much to do with boats or the MSA, but your comment was so far from fair I felt I had to say something.
 
How right your are about salesmen!

I spoke to Halfords today about a new tyre for my Brompton fold-up bike. I told him that the tyre pressure is nearly 100p.s.i.
I asked the salesman about the pressure marking (40 p.s.i) on the tyre he was offering me. "Oh, that's because these are usually used on kids bikes. It'll be fine if you put a bit more air in". The size was wrong as well!

Prat!
 
In trying to make a point, I generalised for which you rightly smacked my hand ... it is maladministration to which I was referring. If you still disagree then we'll have to differ ...
 
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