Lucas13 - thanks for nothing!

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The success of Seb Clover did not go unnoticed chez tcm. The 13 year old was bouncing at the idea and a week later had a full formed plan, or at least as fully formed as these plans ever are.

I'd explained that nobody could rent a boat to go across the Atlantic, ridiculous. So he suggested that perhaps we buy one for him. "And wouldn't it be good publicity anyway if in corporate colours, Dad?" Umm, well spose umm erm well put like that i supose yes sort-of um, or um well actually yes it would.

"And it would be good for my self-confidence!" We then had an argument where I argues that he had plenty of self-confidence, whereas he vehemently disagreed that he didn't have enough. Hm.

I didin't have the heart to slap down or simply veto his idea, and since he pilots and berths a 75 foot powerboat and pretty much skippers 40' sailboats. But, yerknow, hm. So, hehe, suggested he post amonst the wise sages here. They might suggest a sensible approach, or express doubts from their experiences and so on, perhaps delay a bit and so on. Which he did, all his own work.

And what hapened? Early posters thought it a troll, others came over all sarcastic, and some said yeah go on, do it, and other combination. Then the moderator decided in his wisdom to pull the whole thread. Did it get nasty? Or break the rules? "Being a nerk" or "having slightly daft ideas" isn't against the forum rules is it?

Now after all the sarkiness he's fired up even more and I have agreed to hem and haw around the blimmin hamble boatyards, hoping (sort-of) that the dream passes.

Thanks for nothing!

Out of interest, at what point would you (we) take any youngster sailors seriously? After all, it all sounds failry mad whether you're 15, 22, or a much older wrinkly selling up and sailing. Thereis n't a pioint at which sailing across the Atlantic is ever "eminently sensible" until you've done it once or twice, is there?
 

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TCM,

Fill him full of rich food, then take him out in a small boat in a decent breeze, and bounce him around in some overfalls. If he keeps his lunch down, and enjoys the experience, you've got the next Ellen McArthur (barring the chop and drill op). If he turns green, problem solved.
 

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um, need another idea: we took all the advice about startem young, so he seems bombproof in that regard - we're clinging on a bit on deck while they do their homework off, read books and opr even watch the TV, even in the blimmin forecabin "cos it's more fun!".
 

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I'd encourage him. Rather have him doing that sort of thing with ambition than spending 24 hrs a day on the play station IMHO. Might be an idea to get him into dinghy sailing where his competitive tendencies can have full reign. In fact you yourself have the correct build for lasers /forums/images/icons/smile.gif .. so get stuck in!
 

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Umm, I thought everyone had a damn good try at putting the lad off, so if thats fired him with enthusiasm then god knows what he'd be like if he'd been encouraged!
Bit difficult to know how to treat youngsters who come on the forum with questions like that.......


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I wrote to Lucas early this morning saying that I had pulled the thread as a temporary measure only because no-one appeared to believe him - once again users making their own judgements about trolling and getting it wrong.

I did suggest that he ask his father to drop me a quick one line to validate his ID as I had half an idea where he was coming from - literally. But nothing in my mail as of yet - guess he is at school?

Tell you what - the post is coming back minus all the dross and we'll take it from there.

kim_hollamby@ipcmedia.com
 
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You could tell him he will have to raise corporate sponsorship to buy and equip the boat, and you will sponsor him a pound for every pound he raises. At least that avoids a large cash handout, and teaches him something about the realities of the sport!

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Reckon you should be proud of the lad. Seems he has a lot more get up and go than most of his contemporaries...

However also understand your reservations - perhaps the best solution would for him to do an accompanied crossing with you or other adult, then the following year bring the boat back across without adult help?

regards,

Nick

She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh, like the sound a dog makes just before it throws up
 

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Interesting

How the new thread developing - no diversions, no-one agreeing with each other, no-one adding to anyone else's comments but all saying the same
Strange.

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Re: Kids for the widowmaker

Scenario uno: put any kid in an AWB with 100 kgs of assorted junk food, point
the boat in the right direction, should make it across.
Scenario due: it doesn't arrive.

S'pose it's all right if you've got plenty of kids.
 

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Hey all I said was get a contessa 32.. a very sound piece of advice.. at least in my judgement.. even a contessa 26 .. I never doubted the ligitimacy of the original post and I would only wish to encourage someone with ambition! I fail to see why ever not when it comes to young people going off and doing adventureous stuff. I actually think that most young people are pretty good assessors of their abilities and what are realistic ambitions.
 

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You're not going to thank me for this. Encourage him. You'll take flack left right and centre. If he wants to do it, you'll know if he is capable, and you are the only person that can make that decision.


I can only wish I had been given the opportunity at that age. I scared my parents senseless when I was younger, but still managed to take like minded youngsters through deep bogs on Dartmoor (Raybarrow Pool is still a favoured test of ability to my mind, you can walk across it, but only if you are aware of the issues, it’s actually quite safe. I’d bet that outbound teachers wouldn’t ever allow that these days, just too dangerous) as a team when I was 14, when we used to head out for 3 or 4 days unaccompanied by adults. I followed through with cave diving, deep sea canoeing, hang gliding, gliding, climbing and a number of sports that would be categorized as dangerous these days

Don’t let him do it with his friends, only he is capable of it at this age, a teenage team would make it a leadership experience he’s not yet ready for
 

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I didn't see the Lucas thread, but, as in your house, the Seb story has got the attention of my 14 year old daughter - and yes it is partly because he is slightly cute! She knows someone who knows his sister and is on a mission to get his email address, poor lad! It is good overall because it has given further momemtum to her interest in sailing which is why I bought thedamn boat in the first place!

Last night, I was poring over a chart in the scullery and she was aking if we could sail to the Isle of Wight, and also do Cowes Week, now prizes for guessing why!

So to test her I explained the overfalls etc all around Bardsey and the Devils tail and how we would be visiting them soon - 'I'm not doing that'. '

'2 mins ago sweetie you were of on a weeks trip to the Isle of Wight'

'Dad that's different.........'

As for Lucas, brilliant, grab the inertia while it's there, exploit his enthusiasm, he is lucky to have the resources available so use them. Explain the risks to him and how he is your treasure then ask to him to prepare a plan of what he needs to do learn all the skills. It will inevitably lead him through a path which you can fine tune to suit, and if he needs crew, the drug crazed 'e' kids can help him:).

By the time he is ready you will have your Swan and can keep an eye on him all the way!

(sounds promising if only because he is getting out of stinkpots so early!!!)
 
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