I don't want to defend the French (I had enough of them while I was cruising), but in comparison, what do the English produce besides an unbelievable amount of crap legislation?
You make a far point. The bike industry has a token Triumph manufacturing operation (although it wouldn't surprise me if this was foreign owned) but other than that I'm struggling. Can anyone help out?
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I don't want to defend the French (I had enough of them while I was cruising), but in comparison, what do the English produce besides an unbelievable amount of crap legislation?
What about the Battle of Tours, where the Franks stopped the Moorish invaders from conquering all of Europe? Otherwise we'd all be wearing towels on our heads and speaking Arabic!
And the Second Battle of the Marne (1918); the beginning of the end of WW1.
Hmm, I suspect if the Yanks knew the first thing about history, they wouldn't propagate this crap. France may well have been overrun in WWII, but then Britain didn't win a campaign against the germans for the first three years of the war, and the first time the American army met the germans they were routed (battle of the Kasserine Pass, if you're interested).
If you want to engage in this sort of jingoistic willy-waving, our French friends can add Verdun (WWI) and countless victories for Napoleon and his royal predecessors/successors which I can't be bothered to look up but are all in the history books (provided you don't concentrate on the ones that only recount your own country's victories).
On the American "debit" side, you could include Philippines 1942, Kasserine Pass 1942, Anzio, Korea 1950 and somewhere beginning with "V" that I've temporarily forgotten. I won't be doing any of that, however, as it would be childish, unfair and an insult to all who died in those conflicts.
As well the others already mentioned, how about the First Battle of the Marne, where the French Army sacrificed itself in destroying any hopes the Germans had of winning the war. Once you add in Verdun, and the Second Battle of the Marne, I personally think the French won the First World War.
This 'French Military Victories' nonsense is Amercian propoganda at its xenophobic and most stupid height. To repeat it simply refelcts poorly on your own understanding of history.
We and the Americans have fought in two world wars alongside the French. In both, the Yanks took an age and a lot of kicking to turn up, and had, ooh err, some Aleutian Islands invaded. We bravely declared war on Hitler in 1939, yet knew full well that we could contribute an army less than one tenth the size that France was preparing to raise.
And the crucial difference - if we lost, France was overrun. If France lost, she was overrun. And even so, France, twice before in living memory savagely mauled by her larger and more aggressive neighbour, was prepared to declare war on Germany to honour our undertakings towards Poland. You should reflect on the courage of this massive and momentous decision before bandying about these low and scurillous comments about French courage. You should also reflect on such examples as the Battle of Bir Hakeim, where without the Free French 1st Infantry Brigade it's doubtful whether there would have been an 8th Army to stand at El Alamein.
Worry not Nickel,this lot prob all had their hands out for the forty pieces of silver when Mrs T flogged off a chunk of the nations assets which our friends across the channel promptly bought.Ie Electricity,water and waste disposal.
O how we laughed. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif