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Good grief. Wonder what the fines will be when a few of us rogue and foolhardy sailors refuse to comply - if or when it comes over here?

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Does this mean kids in inflatables in boating pools have to wear a lifejacket. Does a lilo count, even if tethered to shore a life jacket must be worn.

And

What is a lifejacket - Most kids wear buoyancy aids.

What is on deck - is my central cockpit on deck or is it when standing outside, but inside the guard wires.

Who is responsible; for example

if a skipper takes a mate and family for a sail and tells mate to make sure their 15 year old is wearing lifejacket at all times on mirror calm day. But kid decides to sunbathe without jacket on coachroof just as new gestapo coast inspectors whizz by who gets the fine?



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Consummate nanny state me ass. There is no country on this planet whose citizens take a more sane view of ludicrous legalities: e.g tourist on Aran islands who asks "what time does this pub shut?" and gets in reply "November."

If not allowing smokers excrete all over you in a restaurant or pub is an example of a nanny state, the Irish appear to be all for it. That particular piece of legislation is gaining more mass acceptance than anyone would have thought. Maybe the notion makes sense?

The Irish will always be the Irish. If we like a law, we'll obey it most of the time it suits us. If we think it is stupid, we'll exercise our constitutional right to look askance and behave accordingly.

For what it's worth, in our yacht club all under 16s have always had to wear wear life-jackets while on the pontoons or while sailing. It doesn't seem to have harmed any of them much, or even turned them off boating. Then again, who knows. Maybe they are all subcutaneously scarred for life.

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Was I the only one who heard a spokesman from, I think, Weymouth/Portland council talking about PWC's. He said, words to the effect, all PWC's must be licensed and carry insurance documents in the area this year. "We will be extending it to all powered craft next summer"...
Apparently they have about 10 'inspectors'. Is this how licensing is going to be introduced, little by little, a local council at a time?

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Would be even safer if your yachtclub had a rule that the under 16's could only go on the pontoons while on a lead held by an adult with a swimming certificate. I don't think it would seem to harm the under 16's much being on a lead.

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Well said, John. That is very helpful and well thought out. I'll get you the admiral's address so that you can send him a formal proposal. If you have any other useful recommendations you might include them also. They will I assure you receive all the attention they deserve.

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>Exclusions:

PFDs need not be worn when the vessel is made fast to the shore or at anchor or when engaged in swimming.<

So you are not breaking the law if you fall in without a lfejacket until you actually drown. Then your body may be prosecuted.

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I must be missing something, here. Show of hands, then, please:

All those who think going to sea without enough lifejackets for all on board is a smart idea?

All those who allow their kids to wander about on deck without a lifejacket while underway?

All those who think an open boat under 7m and underway is any place not to have a PFD?

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And if we did would they still be there when we came back, or do you carry them around all day?

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If it\'s that obvious ...

... why do we need a government to tell us to do it?

Probably to protect their backs. Because in these foolish days of compensation culture, someone is going to sue the government for not warning people they can drown in water.

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I'm with Wiggo on this one. We always wear lifejackets going to and from the boat by tender.

Prompted by seeing a friend motor out to his boat in the rubber dinghy and got flipped by a gust. Not a strong gust either - he was just sitting too far aft.

Its not difficult to stuff a couple of lifejackets into a rucksack.

Donald

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Always carry them in the dinghy, do wear them if conditions warrant, and like Robin wonder what to do with them once ashore (we take bulky cheap non inflatable types in case of theft which only adds to the what to do with them problem).

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That's the point, isn't it - you may choose to. We don't - unless we deem the circumstances warrant it. We have been known not only to wear fully inflated jackets but have a 5 gallon water container in the bow. But it's when we choose, not when we're told to by HMG or anyone else.

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I also choose not to for a number of reasons, not least what do you do with the thing if you come ashore for the day? Don't want to carry it everywhere, can't be safely left in the inflatable, if it is locked on somehow then I bet some smartarse pulls the inflation cord....................

But mostly I really don't see that it will actually save my life if I do fall in, more of a hinderance to swimming ashore. I could of course be wrong, but the point is that it's MY choice!

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Coo - its a new first. I agree with pragmatist. Wear them when conditions dictate, leave them behind otherwise.

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I've not been told by HMG either. I do it beacause I've seen the consequences. Commonsense and learning from others. That's my choice.

Donald


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PFDs need not be worn when the vessel is made fast to the shore or at anchor or when engaged in swimming.

Can't say I have ever seen a vessel swimming!!

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