Long term results with Burgess Marine Woodseal

[bob26]

Has anyone used this for a long period?

If so, can you tell me how it performs?

How many coats did you apply initially and how often was it necessary to recoat?

And why BMS and not Deks Olje?

I'm talking normal wet, grey UK conditions, not Mediterranean sunlight.

Looking back over previous posts, some users loved it , some not. But no really clear report on how long it lasts etc.

I am looking for a hardwearing non-slip matt finish for bare teak and iroko that can be overcoated if necessary without stripping back to wood.

Thanks

 

[Tranona]

Have a look at the results of Richard Hares long term tests published in Classic Boat. Burgess does not come out well - but neither does Deks Olje.

For brightwork there are really only two viable alternatives. A conventional varnish - many coats applied in perfect condition and maintained regularly or permeable woodstains such as Novatec. My personal preference is for the latter having tried all the other alternatives with the exception of Coelan (not rich enough for that).

 

[kds]

woodsealer

I have used Burgess on 2 boats over a period of 15 plus years - since it came out.
It does do what it says on the tin.
It preserves wood - but does not give a "varnish finish" You can put a finishing coat ( name escapes me - also Burgess ) on top for a gloss finish..
I used 6 coats of woodsealer, applied wet on wet, then 2 of the finishing coat on my spruce mast.
I did not need to touch it before selling the boat 6 years later. I was impressed.
I still use it for exterior woodwork on my GRP sloop and yes it can be applied to wet wood - by a cloth.
Remarkable stuff.
Ken

 

[oldharry]

Used to swear by Burgess stuff, but it doesnt look good, and in fact lasts no longer than any others. I also found it less than durable, wearing quickly. The big advantage is that it goes on very easily, and drys quickly enough to do several coats in a day.

Deks Olje. Some people find it works perfectly. The rest of us find it goes yellow and flakes off after 18 months. It is VERY labour intensive, as the No1 HAS to be re-coated again and again within 10 - 15 minutes. It took 6 hours almost non-stop to coat my cap rails. Then it all fell off again a year later! No one seems to know why it fails like this. It did seem more durable on vertical surfaces, so may be something to do with standing damp?

I experimented at the beginning of last season with a new product - Sadolin Clear. Easy to apply, dries on nice and fast and only needs couple of coats and looks like an expensive varnish job.

I did that 12 months ago, and people this spring are commenting on how good it looks. Take a peek next time your down! No sign of lifting anywhere, even where it has been scarred where the mooring chains jumped the bow roller and got on the timber for a week.

Anyone else tried it? I wil not have to touch the brightwork I did last season except where it is damaged.

 

[Lakesailor]

I used for all the interior of my clinker dinghy. Very easy to apply and dried pretty quickly. I used as many coats as needed to get the colour about right, usually 3 or more.
I was very pleased with the results. I never thought to tell the bloke who bought it what I'd used.

 

[Ubergeekian]

Has anyone used this for a long period?

If so, can you tell me how it performs?

I can! Me me me me! Sailing Today did a comparative test of wood preservative stuff about six years ago - and as with a lot of their tests, they used my boat, Jumblie, as the test bed.

So I can confidently say that Burgess Woodseal - like everything else other than varnish they tried, by the way - has been utter rubbish longterm. It has flaked off in patches leaving a nasty mottled appearance which I shall be dealing with the week after next.

This backs up my experience of trying it on the Jouster (no reasonable offer refused) about twenty years ago. It worked OK inside but outside it lasted less than a season and looked thoroughly nasty as it gave up.

I wouldn't use it now if you paid me. Loathsome stuff.

 

[bob26]

Superb

I used for all the interior of my clinker dinghy. Very easy to apply and dried pretty quickly. I used as many coats as needed to get the colour about right, usually 3 or more.
I was very pleased with the results. I never thought to tell the bloke who bought it what I'd used.

Looks very nice Lakesailor ...how long did it last or did you sell it soon after?

 

[PCUK]

I use it on the floor in my wheelhouse, so not subject to weather. Ten years on and still looks good and retains non-slip properties.

 

[KINGFISHER 9]

I've got quite a bit of brightwork to redo this spring ... stripping it off and starting again and was considering Sikkens Novatech, having read Richard Hare's articles .... anyone think it's a bad idea?

 

[Tranona]

I've got quite a bit of brightwork to redo this spring ... stripping it off and starting again and was considering Sikkens Novatech, having read Richard Hare's articles .... anyone think it's a bad idea?

No. You will find it the best decision you take this year. Use a light tint otherwise it tends to look a bit muddy. You will appreciate your decision for years to come.

 

[double_ender]

Of all the Sikkens products I think the Novatech is the best for the boat. Their other products are Wood oil, and the Filter 7 (u/c) HLS combination are good.They do them in Pine and other darker flavours. This year I've used some mahogany novatech,-- quite a rich reddish brown. Unfortunately they don't seem to do colour charts for this range.
Its also good for fitting out in Scotland; as long as the temp is 5 deg or above your're ok!

Malcolm

 

[Lakesailor]

Looks very nice Lakesailor ...how long did it last or did you sell it soon after?

Well, I kept if for about a year after the coating, but unlike a lot of people I dry-sailed it and it was covered over when not in the water. So it was an as new finish even when I sold it
Strangely I didn't suffer too much with taking-up (or lack of it) sometimes if I hadn't wet it for a while it would fill to the floorboards during a sail. I kept a bailer to hand.
Other times, if I'd sailed it in the last month, it was fairly dry.

 

[prv]

Of all the Sikkens products I think the Novatech is the best for the boat. Their other products are Wood oil, and the Filter 7 (u/c) HLS combination are good.

They also have Cetol Marine, which I've bought a tin of but didn't really like the results on the first piece I did. I've been prevaricating over whether to use it anyway or switch to something like Novatech.

Pete