Lift, antifoul, polish and launch - £3k - Ouch??

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Am I being a skinflint, or is this quote over the top?

L13.1m x B4.2m xD1.5m

"Boat Name: Rogue 28th January 2009

Length overall in metres: 13.12


Yacht Yard Costs:
€ €
Crane 419.84
Rent in weeks for 4 weeks 262.40
Water and electricity charges 44.72
726.96

Labour Costs:
€
Bottom Sanding 275.00
1 coat Primer 165.05
2 coats Antifouling 330.10
Shipside Polish 348.47
Topside Polish 275.00
1,393.62
Materials:
€
Hull Primer Free
Hull Antifouling (4 tins) 480.00
480.00


Boat delivery to yard and back 120.00

Sub Total excluding V.A.T 2,720.58"


Hope the columns come out OK, otherwise it could be a right mess.

I think VAT is about 18%, so the total is the best part of £3,000.

Pre health issues, I would have done all this myself, so have no real experience of paying too have big stuff done. I know it took 2 of us 2 days to antifoul her in 2006, so 32 man hours makes the above look not too bad. €480 for 4 tins of antifoul... Mailspeed Marine is £80 for a tin of cruiser uno, so perhaps not too bad again.

Any thoughts welcomed.

Richard
 
Seems pricey to me.

Just paid 1100 euros for lift, scrub, anodes, primer and two coats antifoul in French west indies and paid 200 us dollars for excellent topsides and coachroof polish in St Lucia. (polish supplied by me at about $50). Boat is a Moody38

Antifoul has rocketed recently though.

Had a nice chat about you with Jonny H on Newtsville the other day.

Best wishes and nice to see you on the boards again.
 
Free hull primer, what are you complaining about? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Looks to me like you are paying around €40 / hr, not bad for unskilled labour. At those rate I might even set up shop. The local Mercedes service centre 'only' charges 60/hour. €400 for the crane ouch! €120 for a tin of antifoul, even an expensive tin here is only £80 but then perhaps you are paying freight to the island ( Malta ? )

Not exorbitant but i'd be 'somewhat ticked off', my guess is you didn't get a quote first? Silly boy!
 
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The local Mercedes service centre 'only' charges 60/hour

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Address please- mine charges £125 ph!!
 
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At those rate I might even set up shop. The local Mercedes service centre 'only' charges 60/hour. €400 for the crane ouch! €120 for a tin of antifoul, even an expensive tin here is only £80 but then perhaps you are paying freight to the island (Malta?)

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Makes the proposition of bringing a boat to the Channel Islands for work like this look like a good idea!

Even with the high cost of shipping our antifoul is about 60 quid, cranage is a fraction of that and labour to apply the antifouling on that size boat is only about 160 quid a coat.

Did I mention the lack of VAT? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Wow!!.

In my opinion you are being charged far too much, through having to pay the maximum for each component of the estimate- no allowance is being made for having the whole package of work to do in one hit e.g. Cruiser Uno at £80 per tin/ Google and you will get it for £60. Only a small example but indicative of the rest of their philosophy.

The cranage and storage ditto.

In view of your health comments (I have seen your earlier post on that subject) I take it that it is not possible to deliver the boat elsewhere but I think you should ask others and get written quotes then see how these people react to a bit of competition.

If you just accept their price without challenge they have no incentive to revise.

If I were to be faced with that sort of cost then I would offer the work to my club members at a sensible casual labour cost and supervise them. There would be plenty willing to earn a few pounds- is this a possibility for you?

Edit content_ Sorry just seen your bio- until then I thought your boat was in the UK, may be a closed shop where it is located, I guess, and club stuff inappropriate too I suppose
 
Thank you , they've changed their philospohy then (or I was mistaken?)for ,4 or 5 years ago, I used to have my old Merc serviced at a concessionary cost due to age, but the new one was to be much more expensive I seem to remember hence my decision to leave the M-B network.

I shall now make enquiries and review my decision, many thanks
 
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Crane 419.84
Rent in weeks for 4 weeks 262.40
Water and electricity charges 44.72


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These items seem well over the top. 262 euros for 4 weeks ashore? 44.72 for electricity and water? Are you living on the boat at the time?

In Germany this year, I paid 750 euros in total for lift, scrub, relaunch and six months ashore.

3 years ago, I paid around 600 to have the boat antifouled.

Where is this?
 
I know of a boat that is being resprayed at the moment.

The estimate? £135,000. Truly.

Mind you, it is about 120 feet long!
 
That looks like a Berthon's invoice. £400 is a high-end liftout charge and then they add another 120 euros + VAT for delivery to the yard!

Most of the jobs listed will be delegated to unskilled yard hands yet the rate seems to be 40 euros per hour.
 
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Not exorbitant but i'd be 'somewhat ticked off', my guess is you didn't get a quote first? Silly boy!

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This is the quote, hence the query!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The boat's in Malta for those who dont know

Thanks for the responses so far.... it's certainly given me some good info and food for thought.

Richard
 
No doubt you're talking about Manoel Island Yacht Yard.

They are probably the most expensive in Malta, but the work is good.

I bought my anti-fouling/Gelshield elsewhere on the island and had a vituperative e-mail from Vic White, but saved about 25%.

You can haggle but not with Andrew - Vic is the only one who can/will vary prices.

Dave Church is an excellent chap, he got a raft of small jobs done for me FOC and allowed me full use of their (not inadequate) shops.

When I was there (it was july/aug) there was no charge for anything but standing, which I negotiated down to £M12/week.
 
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Crane 419.84
Rent in weeks for 4 weeks 262.40
Water and electricity charges 44.72


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These items seem well over the top. 262 euros for 4 weeks ashore? 44.72 for electricity and water? Are you living on the boat at the time?

In Germany this year, I paid 750 euros in total for lift, scrub, relaunch and six months ashore.

3 years ago, I paid around 600 to have the boat antifouled.

Where is this?

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Probably Manoel Island.

What you must be aware of is that he's having the work done when demand is highest. During the summer hard-standing rates are about 30%.

I had a lift, 3 months ashore and lift back for €252 in 2007 at Monfalcone. Again in the summer - during winter it would be at least x3.

Since adopting the € Malta has become very expensive - it went in at a very high conversion £M to € and that has been compounded by the collapse of the £UK against the €.
That is one of the main reasons I'm not in Malta this winter.

My advice to "Rogue" is to have the work done in Tunisia - for less than 45% the labour rates.
 
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Dave Church is an excellent chap, he got a raft of small jobs done for me FOC and allowed me full use of their (not inadequate) shops.

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I love that line. you mean he actually let you go in and spend your money!
 
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Dave Church is an excellent chap, he got a raft of small jobs done for me FOC and allowed me full use of their (not inadequate) shops.

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I love that line. you mean he actually let you go in and spend your money!

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You misunderstand, so I will elucidate to relieve your cynicism:-

1. He had brazed a grill burner which had corroded and sheared the mounting bolts FOC
2. I was allowed to draw from their stores a 9.8mm drill and 10mm tap and use their HD clamp-drill to tap some stud holes FOC
3. Winterise and store my OB on their premises FOC (2 winters running)
4. Fitted the calorifier take-offs for a new 3YM20 Yanmar FOC
5. Tested and charged 3 x 110 AH batteries FOC
6. Drilled out some aluminium stanchion bases which had the fixing bolts corroded in, machined infills of aluminium bar with bolt-holes - all for the cost of the 6 pieces of bar.

There were several small services, admittedly they'd fitted the Yanmar engine (provided by me and including new bearers) , stripped off all the old antifouling, checked for osmosis and put on 6 coats of gelshield (provide by me) 1 coat of hard antifouling and 2 coats of eroding AF (provided by me) for a total price, including 10 weeks on the hard, lifts in and out for £UK840. This was in 2006 July-Sep.

In Malta negotiation is everything!!!
 
Wife and I can polish a 12.8m hull in 4 hours, antifouling takes me a day inc masking.
I personally do not sand or prime, just scrape off any loose - i want the antifouling to come off over the year not stay on.
It seems very expensive to me, but there again us Moody owners are very rich.
 
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