Liferafts - a summary

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The recent threads seem to have come to a natural end, so without wishing to prolong the subject unduly, a summary might be useful.

You will recall that the original post asked for advice on whether a liferaft was a "good thing" for a cross channel voyage. Many of the posts wandered into other areas such as commercial shipping where the arguments are different. Others explored alternatives such as semi inflated dinghies. However, the key issues remain

1 What is the probability of getting into a situation where a liferaft is needed.

This assumes that the boat is sinking so there is no alternative to abandoning ship. On what little evidence we have, for the typical leisure sailor, the probability is virtually zero. This does not mean that boats don't get into difficulty, but help usually gets to the casualty long before the boat sinks (if indeed it is ever going to sink).

Where yachts are in danger of sinking it is usually following a catastrophic incident such as a collision or structural failure such as a keel falling off. Although collisions could happen to anybody, the aids to avoidance of other shipping are so good that this is rare (but not unknown). Structural failures are usually on racing boats (several recent examples of those).

2 Is a liferaft an effective device for survival?

Again the evidence is not convincing. In some cases such as the failures of race boats, the liferaft cannot be deployed because it is stowed below or gets trapped under the upside down boat. In coastal waters the job of the liferaft is to keep the crew safe for the relatively short time that help takes to arrive, and this is what they are designed to do. They are not expected to provide a means of getting to shore.

Liferafts can fail to work (as in the Hanse 371 incident), but even if they do inflate they are not user friendly as those who have experience, either in training or for real will testify. The key factor in survival is not to end up in the water at all, but above all to summon assistance at the appropriate time. Then, if abandoning ship is the only alternative both lifejackets and liferafts can make a difference. However, the rescue services I am sure would much rather pick up from a boat than from the water or a raft.

So, in risk assessment, if you go out in adverse conditions, sail a boat at the limit of its capability (where it might fail), then there is an argument for having a liferaft. Indeed regulations for commercial boats and offshore racing require them. But for the typical leisure yachtsman making a cross channel crossing in relatively benign conditions and using an active safety strategy (good planning, watching the weather, AIS or radar - I know they are not the same - use of harnesses, MK1 eyeball and a good plan B) the situation is different. Should things start to go pear shaped a DSC and then EPIRB transmission are the first line of defence.

Taking a rational view, one comes to the conclusion that for most yachtsmen in most situations a liferaft is a waste of money and space, mainly because the probability of needing it is so low, but also because there are doubts about their effectiveness. HOWEVER, this view is only credible because there is no systematic evidence available to support a different conclusion.

The advocates of liferafts tend to draw on subjective emotions rather than objective evidence. In some ways there is nothing wrong in this, because we all need to make our own decisions. Where I draw the line is at legislation (because there is no evidence that it is necessary) and being accused of being irresponsible if I don't have a liferaft.

To repeat one of my earlier posts, there is a real need for research into this subject to inform both individual and collective decision making.
 
Excellent summary!
I think (IMHO) that it is worthy of being published in YM, either 'as is', or perhaps expanded on a bit more to make a full article.

I also think that the topic of liferafts nowadays seems to generate as much passion as anchors - ie quite a lot!

I can see valid reasons / arguments for and against having a liferaft on board for eg crossing the Channel, but I shall sit on the fence now and continue to monitor what other folk's opinions are.
 
This is a good summary or the risk assessment issues for lifraft but isn't the only debate about whether to carry one the cost, otherwise it does no harn & causes no inconvienience so why not carry one.
 
I agree that for many an objective risk assement and mitigation programme would render the value of a liferaft to almost zero, but we now live in an age when Mrs Smith next door believes that she must have a 4X4 for the school run because it is the safest vehicle to transport her little darlings to school in. This is despite the evidence that her childrens health will be much better then and in later life if she actually walked them to school and also that the risk of the kids being in a motor accident rises if they are transported in a 4X4.

The big problem today is that we have become very much more pessimistic in our risk perception hence the suggestion that a liferaft must be carried for all cross channel passages when the reality is that for some who make the passage having a liferaft may actually make it's need greater.
 
What you haven\'t added, in your excellent summary

is a geographic context.

For N European coastal waters I would agree that a liferaft is very low on the survival priority list.

As soon as you get out of well-populated waters, however, the liferaft shoots up the priority list, especially if you're in higher latitudes where hypothermia raather than drowning is the major killer.

So for your Channel crossing I'd support no liferaft, but crossing Biscay would be a different matter. Though I know of at least one fatality due to a liferaft and inappropriate responses.

Go further afield and the need becomes even greater, so, for my money any round-the-world sailor needs a liferaft and after about 6 years those need inspection and repacking every year - not tri-annually.
 
Re: What you haven\'t added, in your excellent summary

A very well written post, however I'll still be carrying my liferaft.
Having said that the only way I'd abandon the boat into it would be by stepping off the top of the mast as she went down.

Maybe the boat,as has been said, Is highly unlikely toi sink, they do catch fire.

A few years back motoring back from Cherbourg I cooked the batteries and was probably minuites away from a fire on board, glad I had a liferaft on board 15 miles South of St Catherines. Didn't need to use it but was pretty close to dissaster had the worst happened it would have taken the emergency services at least an hour to find us and that's a long time in the water.

For what it's worth, given the choice it makes common sense to carry one.

Ian
 
Oh and I had one on board here:

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my new boat, being delivered from st malo, has to have 'an offshore safety pack', legally, in French law, as I will be sailing it more than 20miles from the mainland, necessarily to get home. Pack includes liferaft, flares and jack stays
 
I can't recollect that you were that short!
Or is it a big wheel /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

But to get back on post - A good summary.
If a boat has a LR no-one would suggest that it should not be carried (even an out of test date one) and if necessary, use it.
 
The liferaft argument is very similar to the seatbelt argument.

1. Millions of drivers and passengers will never need a seatbelt.
2. Very few journeys as a percentage, need a seatbelt
3. We now have a number of electronic aids to reduce the need for seatbelts ABS, Yaw control, traction control, etc
4. In some circumstances people who have been thrown clear of a vehicle would have died if they had been wearing a seat belt

On this evidence, many conclude that a seatbelt is an unnecessary expense.

We all know that however rare an occurance, having the seatbelt is in our interests, because if we were in that rare set of circumstances where it is needed, our chances of survival will be greatly improved.

I would argue the same respecting liferafts, I know that it is a measure of last resort, I will do all that I can to avoid using it (the Fastnet experience showed that it is better to stay with the boat where possible), but I know that should I hit the rare set of circumstances that require it, my changes of survival would be better, than say trying to swim several miles to find the shore.
 
Re: What you haven\'t added, in your excellent summary

Ian, what you say here makes much sense and covers a grave omission in Tranona's post. Also, its amazing what a year can make in the views, overall, of the forum. I remember last year going head to head with several posters on my view of the lack of need for a liferaft on Galadriel.

To an extreme lets all just remind ourselves of the 1979 Fastnet incident, some perished after leaving boats, boats that were later found floating.

No, I'm afraid what was missing from otherwise an excellent post was the fact that the time you may need to evacuate the boat is when it starts to burn, no time to wait for rescue then. A situation that could prevail in a flat calm.
 
A few thoughts on your excellent post.

One other factor that needs to be considered - liferafts are not just for abandoning ship - be the reason sinking or fire.

They may also be the only real method for MOB recovery.

Also, in certain conditions, may be only method for transfer to SAR craft.

Quality liferafts of today should not be compared with those available in 1979, or indeed 1998 (Sydney Hobart). However, the decision should still be to stay with your boat whenever possible.

Would also point out that boats can and do sink very quickly. I understand that a three inch hole, one foot down lets in half a ton of water per minute. As a very rough estimate a 30ft boat (I guestimate at 5 tons or so) can sink in about ten minutes to 15 minutes. Of course, you should try to plug the hole - even partially - but with modern boat construction that is likely to be difficult and in many cases impossible - inner mouldings can get in the way. Fires spread alarmingly quickly.

You are right to consider what the possibility of this happening is and how soon a rescue craft will get to you.

However, you assume that the situation will allow you to make a distress call - water over batteries and fires tend to make it difficult to send a distress message by fixed VHF. A good argument for having an EPIRB on board.

I would agree with you that the decision for having a liferaft aboard should be at the discretion of the owner/skipper rather than legislation but as I said in my post in the other liferaft thread today's legal climate puts a duty a care on us that we simply can't ignore.

Nevertheless, more facts would definitely help to clarify our decision making process.

Although, of course, such a catastrophic incident only has to happen once to justify having a raft on board!

Shorn
 
All true, all relevant. Would add that it's difficult to call the coastguard on a handheld VHF when you are in the water. From a liferaft however it's easy. I totally agree with your MOB point too. While a dinghy might do the same the raft is designed to get into from the water and the drogue will stop it drifting like a dinghy will.
 
Many thanks for the comments. would like to pick up on some of the issues raised.

I avoided making comparisons with road safety because I don't think they are valid. Firstly the probability of being involved in an accident is so much higher (not least because it is often caused by somebody else!) and secondly because there is overwhelming empirical evidence that passive safety devices such as seat belts and airbags work. I learned this in 1968. My then unborn elder daughter is just about to celebrate her 40th birthday because her mother (and father) were wearing belts. Remember then we would have been in a small minority, but I used the car in competition so it had belts fitted.

Fire at sea seems to be nowhere near a common risk. The only post with any example was somebody trying to cook chips on board - and they were rescued while the boat was still afloat. Similarly, we all know that a boat can sink very quickly from just a small hole, but again there is limited or no evidence that this actually happens.

Not sure about the value of rafts in remote places where the chances of a quick rescue are small. As I said they are designed to keep crew alive for a short period of time. There would be logic in these situations of having a tender capable of moving under its own power (sail or oar).

Communications seem to be good as the RNLI and Coastguard are kept pretty busy. Even a mobile works - see YM September 2007 for the account of the Bounder rescue (another detachable keel incident - 14 crew all rescued, liferaft not deployed as far as I know).

Thanks, Rosbif for reminding us about France. Again I avoided bringing this into the debate, mainly because I know little about French experiences, although I would not expect them to be much different from here.

Great picture, Ian. Shows that there are still thrills to be had without taking risks.

I will follow up with YM to see if they want to move this debate into the printed media.
 
Your analysis is incomplete, thus any data from it will be flawed.

You need to assess the reasons for taking to the liferaft, and then analyse the options for solving this problem - and for most of these problems, taking to a liferaft may be only one of many options - cost of these alternative options will then need to be assessed in a cost/benefit analysis.

For example, you have not considered fire, or the reasons for water ingress, and potential methoods of solving these such as fixed fire extinguishers, softwood plugs, larger fothering systems etc.
 
Sorry, Talbot but these have all come up in the posts. Fire at sea that results in need to abandon ship is extremely rare (no statistics, just observation). Likewise water ingress, little evidence and if dealt with by the crew does not appear in any reports.

I am not attempting to do a cost benefit analysis. There is simply not enough data to do this or for any other meaningful statistical or qualitative analysis. Most of the examples we have of abandoning ship are very individual, although there are common themes such as structural failure and to a lesser extent collisions.

The whole thrust of what I have been saying is that there is minimal reliable empirical evidence on which to base ones risk assessment. This is not to say that a risk is not here, we just have no way currently of measuring it.

When catastrophic incidents such as the Fastnet, Sydney Hobart and the recent spate of keels falling off are analysed, liferafts do not get much support as a general solution.
 
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