lifelines and stanchions

[wpsalm]

Bow to bow colision with another boat , I was at anchor at the time...the other guy reckoned the sun was in his eyes... and neither of use insured. so temporary repairs straightened things out as best as could...now in the midst of the major refit have been promising myself and planning for a couple years. removed the pulpit and all the stanchions. ready to order new ones.. I know this will sound silly to most of you but am now asking myself why bother...seems like a lot of trouble to go to just to have something to tie fenders to and hang wet laundry from..also the boat has a pretty sheer line that looks a whole lot better unclutered...I,ve got reasonable side decks and a good strong grab rail the runs the full length of the cabin top. so I don,t see the need...is there some logical reason for lifelines and stanchions am I missing something ???

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[circumnavigation]

If I have read correctly, you say that you have no insurance. Please, for the sake of having your boat wrecked under odd circumstances, please obtain at least 3rd party insurance. YOU ARE THE SAME MENANCE as if you're driving on the roads.



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[wpsalm]

Please don,t SHOUT at me. I,ve never driven a car in my life. As for third party insurance you,re right about that would ease my mind considerably, things happen. but none of the underwriters I contacted even bother to reply with the exception of Pantainius, who have informed me that they do not write policies for Canadians or Americans..

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[ongolo]

Why should he have insurance? that is for him to decide. or for me, I dont have insurance either, because it is virtually impossible to get good cover world wide.

regards ongolo



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[Joe_Cole]

I've always assumed that lifelines give you something to fall against if you slip. In years gone by small yachts never had them. If you look at pictures of early Folkboats they are usually "naked" and I can understand what you say about the boat looking better without them.

However, FWIW I wouldn't want to go to sea without lifelines; I just wouldn't feel right. It's a bit like driving a car without a seatbelt; I'm so used to it now that I cant drive without it.

Joe



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[wpsalm]

I,m on the hard at the moment and will admit did have a bit of a problem with vertigo at first but that seems to have passed. and expect or theorize that not having them at sea will be actually safer because I,ll tend to be more carefull..

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[whisper]

Doesn't this put you at great risk of being sued, should you cause or contribute towards, damage or loss of life, whilst boating?

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[Joe_Cole]

Mmmmmmm!

It's up to you, but I can't help but think that you are kidding yourself! In my experience most people are as careful as they can be all the time. It's when the unexpected happens that we need these things.

You could always take your arguement to its logical conclusion; no lines, no lifejacket, no lifebuoy, no flares, no radio, etc. etc...........then you'll be even more careful?

I can see the appeal though. Some boats are real beauties without the lifelines.

Joe

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[Joe_Cole]

Winfried,

What happens if you crash into me and sink my boat?

Joe

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[wpsalm]

Being sued .... yes perhaps but I am a full time liveaboard singlehander with no fixed address...and when afloat extremly mobile. Not to say that I would run rather than face up to my responsibilitys ....can,t immagine the circumstances The idea of sueing or being sued is repugnant to me. as for causing damage to someone elses boat this is very unlikely but not impossible. Anchors do drag. but I think of all the boats here in the Caribbean that have been wrecked during huricanes as a result of other boats dragging down on them. nobody ever sued...

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[wpsalm]

If I crash into you and your boat sinks I will throw you a line... and eventually buy you a new boat..

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[Joe_Cole]

It's the word "eventually" that worries me! /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Joe

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[DeepAndy]

Quote, yes perhaps but I am a full time liveaboard singlehander with no fixed address...and when afloat extremly mobile. Unquote ,,,


Now if i was to hit you and sink you,,, WOULDN'T that also make you HOMELESS


Andy

has boat insurance by law
has house insurance by law
has diving insurance by law


bit of advise , best to buy some , it doesn't cost much , if you research it right , you have access to the NET, so try it .

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[ongolo]

The same will happen as if I had insurance for a certain area of operation and am out of this insured area, or if I am required to have three crew and one gets sick and I no longer had the full compliment of crew as required by the contract. I am not insured. If B.Motessier were alive and still sailing and you would have a collision with him what would happen? He had no insurance. Or we crash into each other in southern fjords of Chile? How could we ever claim when not having a fixed address and 500km to the nearest telephone? Handing in a claim 8 months after the accident? I would try to save your life though.

We have a problem. I suggest get a steel boat, then its only dents and scratches.

You will find places in the world where fishing boats at night dont even carry NAV lights (in West Africa further up north from me), what do you think they know or care about insurance?

I have no insurance whatsoever, not life not anything. I dont believe waving a life insurance policy at some pirates will deter them, but 7.62 sniper rifle with scope, a 9mm Pistol loaded with tracers will normally make a difference.

Should I go to areas like Somalia, then I get 20 Ak47 or AKM's, mount them 10 on top 10 at the bottom with a round bar across the triggers, all mounted on a simple turret, I can fire 600 rounds in about three seconds. That will sort out or end any piracy attempt under 100m.

Different places, different people.

Dont get out of bed if you dont like to take any risks.

regards ongolo


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[andyball]

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In the UK?? What law says you have to have house & boat insurance?


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[Joe_Cole]

"Different places, different people."

You're right, but I can't agree with your macho approach to it all, it's a bit like the Wild West.

You stay where you are and I'll stay here! /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Joe


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[Anchorite]

Re: The ulyimate price of beauty?

Current French regs call for a 2" toerail and lifelines 24" above sidedeck level.
This is imho too low and should be 32" at least. The 24" level is just above the knee, a good fall-overboard pivot point. Higher lifelines give a better chance of something to grab onto (but may require special arrangements to let headsails through).
Eric Tabarly, the man who never wore a harness, was knocked overboard and
drowned from his stanchionless/lifelineless beautiful gaffrigged Pen Duick.

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[mikesharp]

Re: The ulyimate price of beauty?

Re the french regs, this seems to be a reaction to modern yacht design that provides a caravan roof rather than a deck to stand and move about on. A proper boat with side decks and foredeck, providing it has grab handles and jackstays for affixing safety lines from harness or lifejacket, can be quite safe without stanctions or "lifelines" in all circumstances. Anyone who believes that lifelines are lifesavers should sit down on their decks and think about it for a while.

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[ongolo]

wether you agree or not, that is how it is.

We even shoot things and then we eat them. You get your meat from the butcher , ever wondered how it got there? ))


regards ongolo


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[Joe_Cole]

I work in the meat trade so I do have some idea about it.

If you are saying that you would shoot the pirates and then eat them I sincerely hope that you stay in the Southern Hemisphere! It would be frowned upon on the South Coast of England.

Joe

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