Tony7
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Clive, I'll be back down next Fri, off to Soto tonight back thurs.
LIBS - visit report
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Magnum
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Re: LIBS - visit report/Sealine t61
Agree with all of that. The really surprising thing about the T60 was the price - £918,000 as specced /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif To be honest Princess, Fairline and Sunseeker are on a different planet quality-wise. Sealine need to knock about £300K off the price and market it as a "value" alternative. No wonder its not selling.
Squadron 74 was nice although still prefer jfm's Squadron 58 flybridge layout. Only real criticism was lack of headroom for me (I am a giant) and slightly too busy flybridge layout. Overall though a nice bit of kit.
Loved the P67 but then that'll be no surprise /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
What was a suprise however was the Yacht 82 - I really like that boat. So much space, lovely layout and superb finish. The owner's cabin has to be seen to be believed.
Overall, good show. As always ran out of time.
Agree with all of that. The really surprising thing about the T60 was the price - £918,000 as specced /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif To be honest Princess, Fairline and Sunseeker are on a different planet quality-wise. Sealine need to knock about £300K off the price and market it as a "value" alternative. No wonder its not selling.
Squadron 74 was nice although still prefer jfm's Squadron 58 flybridge layout. Only real criticism was lack of headroom for me (I am a giant) and slightly too busy flybridge layout. Overall though a nice bit of kit.
Loved the P67 but then that'll be no surprise /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
What was a suprise however was the Yacht 82 - I really like that boat. So much space, lovely layout and superb finish. The owner's cabin has to be seen to be believed.
Overall, good show. As always ran out of time.
Alistairr
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Re: LIBS - visit report/Sealine t61
Great to here the reports from the show.
If you or anyone else is going to the show on Monday, please feel free to PM me with a Mob. No. And we could maybe meet for a pint.
Great to here the reports from the show.
If you or anyone else is going to the show on Monday, please feel free to PM me with a Mob. No. And we could maybe meet for a pint.
Tony7
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Re: LIBS - visit report/Sealine t61
Magnum, I agree my only criticism Squad 74 - headroom ( I'm 6'4")
so that would be a slight stoop with a big grin then!
Magnum, I agree my only criticism Squad 74 - headroom ( I'm 6'4")
so that would be a slight stoop with a big grin then!
petem
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T60
I read in Boat International that they're planning a Coupe version.
I read in Boat International that they're planning a Coupe version.
duncan
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ah but as he rightly says I would have recognised him - the logis of course falls cown because if I saw, and could therefore have recognised him, he could have seen me etc
re dafodill I chose to attend the show wearing and forum burgee...........sad but true........which resulted in both mjf and mike gates making a tentative approach....... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
As for meeting on the P67 I didn't realise I was in such company (and the Princess staff certainly didn't think I should be /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif)
re dafodill I chose to attend the show wearing and forum burgee...........sad but true........which resulted in both mjf and mike gates making a tentative approach....... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
As for meeting on the P67 I didn't realise I was in such company (and the Princess staff certainly didn't think I should be /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif)
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Re: LIBS - visit report/Sealine t61
Looked over the T60 too, and I agree about that carpet, it feels soft and lovely now, but with such a loose pile, it will be squashed in 2 seasons.
I'd be fascinated to know how you worked out that the hand rails were mild steel, all the ones I saw were covered in paint, but seeing as the owner was at the lower helm, scraping the paint off seemed to be inappropriate.
Highlight for me of the T60 is the full beam owners cabin. Questionable fabric choice, but can't argue with the space...
In any case, it's an S29 for me.
dv.
Looked over the T60 too, and I agree about that carpet, it feels soft and lovely now, but with such a loose pile, it will be squashed in 2 seasons.
I'd be fascinated to know how you worked out that the hand rails were mild steel, all the ones I saw were covered in paint, but seeing as the owner was at the lower helm, scraping the paint off seemed to be inappropriate.
Highlight for me of the T60 is the full beam owners cabin. Questionable fabric choice, but can't argue with the space...
In any case, it's an S29 for me.
dv.
jfm
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Re: LIBS - visit report/Sealine t61
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I'd be fascinated to know how you worked out that the hand rails were mild steel, all the ones I saw were covered in paint, but seeing as the owner was at the lower helm, scraping the paint off seemed to be inappropriate.
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There was no need to scratch the paint off. Sealine's fitters had already provided that service. Look near the fastening screws - chipped and scuffed paint. Anyway I suppose it doesn't much matter what the metal was, they still resembled bus handrails and all the fastening screws were on show, ugh. Compare them with the ceiling-mounted rails in Sq 58 or 74.
Was the owner bothered about the wobbly helmseat?
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I'd be fascinated to know how you worked out that the hand rails were mild steel, all the ones I saw were covered in paint, but seeing as the owner was at the lower helm, scraping the paint off seemed to be inappropriate.
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There was no need to scratch the paint off. Sealine's fitters had already provided that service. Look near the fastening screws - chipped and scuffed paint. Anyway I suppose it doesn't much matter what the metal was, they still resembled bus handrails and all the fastening screws were on show, ugh. Compare them with the ceiling-mounted rails in Sq 58 or 74.
Was the owner bothered about the wobbly helmseat?
petem
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S29
What was it like? Does the hard top 'work'? Is there much natural light down below, particularly in the aft cabin?
What was it like? Does the hard top 'work'? Is there much natural light down below, particularly in the aft cabin?
apollo
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Re: S29
In my opinion - no.
Felt it was very cramped below and not great build quality when compared with....
However thought the new Birchwood 29 was a much better boat and did not appear quite such a "Jelly Mould" from the outside.
In my opinion - no.
Felt it was very cramped below and not great build quality when compared with....
However thought the new Birchwood 29 was a much better boat and did not appear quite such a "Jelly Mould" from the outside.
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S29 - Highs and Lows
The pictures released so far don't do it justice, it looks much better in the flesh, from some angles (front offset) almost Sunseekerish, from others (the side), definitely a Sealine.
- Hull (with 2 steps, although both steps are a long way forward for some reason), like no other hull I have ever seen on a Sealine. It's pointy in the right places and should slice thru the chop. Produced using same "vacuum infused" process as T60 hull.
- Cockpit: Very similar to S28 layout, but with a table that slides and hides under the seats. Not too sure about the helm seat: the seat backrest is mounted on two poles which hinge near the deck, so you can "flip" the backrest to create more cockpit space. You can mess around with the cushion placements to create a standing helm too. Concerns were with lack of lower back support when seated, the poles were fouling the vinyl trim on one side, and I had a list to starboard when seated due to the cushions being a bit too squashy.
- Galley: Strange shiny plasticky material like hard lino on the floor, wood and carpet optional. Generally smart, and overhead "skylight" helps compensate for missing porthole. Doors to heads/cabin in deeply horrible MFI white textured panel - apparently future doors will be proper wood like before.
- Saloon: Seating and table is very rounded. Access a bit limited for us larger types, and the rounded shape will be an odd outline for a double berth.
- Mid Cabin: Again, quite a tight entrance for big people, and not sure exactly where you are supposed be when using the storage unit. Cabin is smaller than S28. There is an extra porthole not shown on the pics that makes it light enough.
- Heads: Looked good to me, smart with backlights and acrylic panels etc.
- Engine Room: The Single VP D6-310 looked lost in there, plenty of room to work around.
- "Coupe" version. This isn't a hard top, more a hard frame, with a (manual) sliding lined canvas top and a deeper windshield. Bit like drawing the curtains over you. Panels open at the side. Interesting idea, especially as a rapid way of keeping dry in a shower, and as a sunshade for vampires or children. Felt quite cosy with the top drawn, almost as "indoors" as a flybridge, and almost as "outdoors" as the open model with the canvas back. Only slight problem was side frame obscured my visibility when standing (poss not an issue for shorties). Visibility fine when seated.
- Price is £112k for a D6-310, about 36/37 knots.
- or £130K for 2*D4-260, 42 knots /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Other engines avail.
In summary, some previous Sealines have been criticised for hull performance, and this should fix that, but the accomodation has shrunk to fit. You pick the compromise you want...
Would I buy one ?
Maybe.
The pictures released so far don't do it justice, it looks much better in the flesh, from some angles (front offset) almost Sunseekerish, from others (the side), definitely a Sealine.
- Hull (with 2 steps, although both steps are a long way forward for some reason), like no other hull I have ever seen on a Sealine. It's pointy in the right places and should slice thru the chop. Produced using same "vacuum infused" process as T60 hull.
- Cockpit: Very similar to S28 layout, but with a table that slides and hides under the seats. Not too sure about the helm seat: the seat backrest is mounted on two poles which hinge near the deck, so you can "flip" the backrest to create more cockpit space. You can mess around with the cushion placements to create a standing helm too. Concerns were with lack of lower back support when seated, the poles were fouling the vinyl trim on one side, and I had a list to starboard when seated due to the cushions being a bit too squashy.
- Galley: Strange shiny plasticky material like hard lino on the floor, wood and carpet optional. Generally smart, and overhead "skylight" helps compensate for missing porthole. Doors to heads/cabin in deeply horrible MFI white textured panel - apparently future doors will be proper wood like before.
- Saloon: Seating and table is very rounded. Access a bit limited for us larger types, and the rounded shape will be an odd outline for a double berth.
- Mid Cabin: Again, quite a tight entrance for big people, and not sure exactly where you are supposed be when using the storage unit. Cabin is smaller than S28. There is an extra porthole not shown on the pics that makes it light enough.
- Heads: Looked good to me, smart with backlights and acrylic panels etc.
- Engine Room: The Single VP D6-310 looked lost in there, plenty of room to work around.
- "Coupe" version. This isn't a hard top, more a hard frame, with a (manual) sliding lined canvas top and a deeper windshield. Bit like drawing the curtains over you. Panels open at the side. Interesting idea, especially as a rapid way of keeping dry in a shower, and as a sunshade for vampires or children. Felt quite cosy with the top drawn, almost as "indoors" as a flybridge, and almost as "outdoors" as the open model with the canvas back. Only slight problem was side frame obscured my visibility when standing (poss not an issue for shorties). Visibility fine when seated.
- Price is £112k for a D6-310, about 36/37 knots.
- or £130K for 2*D4-260, 42 knots /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Other engines avail.
In summary, some previous Sealines have been criticised for hull performance, and this should fix that, but the accomodation has shrunk to fit. You pick the compromise you want...
Would I buy one ?
Maybe.
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Re: S29
One mans mince is another's steak. Or something.
I hated the B29 from the off. Too angular, very simplistic styling, upright seating, the cockpit looked like it came from the same 80's CAD package that produced the Mini Metro.
Layout overall was spacious, but I thought the detail let it down. For example, that stainless steel handrail attached to the top of the port side seating, with stainless steel screws that go straight thru the vinyl seating... Add three seasons, and take a wild guess as to what happens next.
dv.
One mans mince is another's steak. Or something.
I hated the B29 from the off. Too angular, very simplistic styling, upright seating, the cockpit looked like it came from the same 80's CAD package that produced the Mini Metro.
Layout overall was spacious, but I thought the detail let it down. For example, that stainless steel handrail attached to the top of the port side seating, with stainless steel screws that go straight thru the vinyl seating... Add three seasons, and take a wild guess as to what happens next.
dv.
Renegade_Master
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Re: Location Location Location
Hi Brendan Have spoken to Phil there is a very large stand opposite us called Neilsons with a large Yacht Also easier still if one goes through door N7 i.e. 7th door into the North Hall and turn left there we are.
Hi Brendan Have spoken to Phil there is a very large stand opposite us called Neilsons with a large Yacht Also easier still if one goes through door N7 i.e. 7th door into the North Hall and turn left there we are.
peterandjeanette
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Re: Location Location Location
Hi Clive. Tell Phil to leave a can of John Smith's in full view on Friday. I'll home in on that. No Chinese handy by any chance? Missed out last April!
Hi Clive. Tell Phil to leave a can of John Smith's in full view on Friday. I'll home in on that. No Chinese handy by any chance? Missed out last April!
mjf
Active member
Ops - now I have read Feb MB&Y I see your stand advertized.
Will attempt another adventure next w/e so might see you yet!
Will attempt another adventure next w/e so might see you yet!
mjf
Active member
Jezz - how come we missed then?
Should have had someone from princess introduce us.
i like the P67 very much - prefer it to the M class. (have you gone for the white outside seats or Sunbella as I have?)
Did not like the V70 as the galley is a corridor, and on all the boats and homes I have been on/in its kind of a central area of focus.
The New 72 sunseeker is excellent.
I too like the 82 yacht - again prefer it to the bigger offerings from Sunseeker.
Should have had someone from princess introduce us.
i like the P67 very much - prefer it to the M class. (have you gone for the white outside seats or Sunbella as I have?)
Did not like the V70 as the galley is a corridor, and on all the boats and homes I have been on/in its kind of a central area of focus.
The New 72 sunseeker is excellent.
I too like the 82 yacht - again prefer it to the bigger offerings from Sunseeker.
Alistairr
Active member
Re: S29 - Highs and Lows
Have to Agree with you.
Liked the S29 very much, Didn't really like the Birchwood 29.
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Only slight problem was side frame obscured my visibility when standing (poss not an issue for shorties). Visibility fine when seated.
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Under the helm, there was a panel that folded down for you to stand on, that then gave you an even higher view out the top of the open roof.
I felt the Coupe was not the prettiest of boats, but i certainly buy it for our climate.
Have to Agree with you.
Liked the S29 very much, Didn't really like the Birchwood 29.
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Only slight problem was side frame obscured my visibility when standing (poss not an issue for shorties). Visibility fine when seated.
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Under the helm, there was a panel that folded down for you to stand on, that then gave you an even higher view out the top of the open roof.
I felt the Coupe was not the prettiest of boats, but i certainly buy it for our climate.
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