Legends and storm sails

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1. Are there any Legend owners (or any other boat with a B&R rig) out there who have fitted storm jibs?

2. How about any Legend owners who have had experience of heavy weather sailing?

Thanks, Pops
 
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1. Are there any Legend owners (or any other boat with a B&R rig) out there who have fitted storm jibs?

Not yet, they are still impressing visitors to the marina with the latest in radar chartplotters, (neccesary to find the nearest shorepower point in the dark). I don't think any Leg end owner would wish to clutter up the cocktail cabinet with nasty smelly sails!

2. How about any Legend owners who have had experience of heavy weather sailing?

If there are, I bet they won't do that again /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif There may have been some, see boats for sale section for details.

(qoute) "There was a nasty choppy sea and a developing swell as we returned to our pontoon from the fuel berth, I am glad I had the bow and stern thrusters fitted".:D

Thanks, Pops

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Hello Pops,

I would not lower myself to respond to such idiotic nonsense as spouted by the previous poster as I own a Legend 35.5 but it does not have the classical B+R rig as it was built in 1993 with a displacement of 13000 lbs and has a backstay.

I have a storm trysail as opposed to a storm jib. The boat is RORC rated and fractionally rigged. I have sailed her offshore on numerous occasions in sometimes in very extreme conditions and she has always looked after me and dealt with just about anything that the weather has thrown at her as the trysail keeps her both steady and also gives the ability to make porgress towards your destination in most circumstnaces.

Finally before I set sail for fairer lands and less bigoted opinions, I would say that Legends have and continu to make voyages across the atlantic and beyond and through some pretty horrendous conditions. I for one would not swap my boat for anything (a view echoed by a sailing instructor of many years experience (and a Westerly owener toboot) who kindly did my RNLI Boat Check recently after a sail in less than ideal conditions).

In my mind go for a trysail as it is kinder on the rig in general and far more maneagable as it is loose footed and no need to hoist it on the bows of a heaving yacht.

You can also use your furled genny to give you better pointing should you require but just watch our for the spped.

Fair winds and enjoy your legend despite what others on this forum may say.

"if only those lacking knowlegde kept their opinions to themselves with the same zeal as they espoute misinformation the world would be a much better and safer place"
 
Tsk, and I thought for Leg end owners a sense of humour was a prerequisite.

So your sailing instructor friend having looked at your boat would not change from his Westerly, I can see his point.

Shame on you advising people to go to sea in a boat with a cockpit like a Jacuzzi.

You can drive a fiat panda up the M1, it does not mean it is as comfortable or safe as a proper motor car.

so how long is your leg now /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Eudorajab

Thank you for your reply, I only got through the first sentence with the other reply and didn't bother reading any more of it. Having since spoken to Selden who make the B&R rig, they seem to swear by it and don't foresee any snags fitting a storm jib.

Of particular interest is that you are the first I have heard that recommends a trysail over and above a storm jib. My "Leg End" seems to favour a foresail in strong winds, (although I have only seen 35 Gusting 40) and any addition of main only causes more heel. With about half genoa and no main we were making 7kts in 35 apparent wind, with about 60deg into wind (true from chartplotter) but very comfy with little heel. Good to hear from you and happy sailing.

Thanks, Pops
 
bat 21 what is your point and if you dont have one why not shut up you idiot.
pops is asking a sensible question on a forum that is very knowledgable and helpful unlike yourself.
if a boat does not suit your needs it does not mean it will not suit someone elses.
please keep your useless opinions to yourself, you are on the wrong forum.
 
Tyce

He is a new user with an opinion. Everyone is entitled to one, we just don't need to heed it much!

It strikes me sometimes that if you can't afford a new Moody or a Westerly then you are not worthy to own a boat!

Poo poo, I say. Happy sailing chum

Pops
 
Graham

It's a "tripod" rig with well swept-back spreaders, no backstay. Seems to work on the principle of a tripod being more stable than a "stool" with 4 legs! Google search on B&R explains it. All new Legend boats seem to have it and it has allegedly won a BOC race or similar, not sure of the details without looking it up again.

Pops
 
Pops,

I agree completely that the boat sails well and comfortably with just the furled genny in winds around the 35 kts mark and it is only when conditions warrant that I would set the storm sail at all.

The sail itself is small and strong (sortof 4th reef size if you like) and with its loose foot can be set to reduce heel considerably (much the same way that the mainsheet traveller does).

The rationale behind it is that for fractionally rigged boats (like ours) the main driving sail is of course the main and the design of the sailplan has that built in.

Whilst I have sailed many miles under main alone, genny alone, reefed and not and any combination of the above, my preferance has always been to use a well set reefed main over a furled genny purely from a sail shape perspective as I dont have foam on my genny and even if I did the sail loses shape as soon as you start reefing.

Be all that as it may, in a really heavy blow, a pair of undies hoised will give you drive anyway.

I have also found that the main will give you more of a weathercock effect than the genny and thus keep your bows to wind in the worst conditions.

Once again, all above are my own personal preferences based on my own experiences and I am more than sure that the B+R rig is both strong enough and suitable for a storm gib.

Each and every situation you will find yourself in will call for a different solution and it is your job as the skipper to asses and select the most appropriate sail plan and course of action for the situation. There is never going to be a one solution fits all. The best advice is to make sure that you and the boat are safe and comfortable.

Fair winds and 7' under your keel
 
Eudorajab

Thank you for that, nice to get a proper reply!

I take it that our different preferences from high wind sailing comes from our in-mast main. I certainly prefer the loss of weather helm, or "heel helm" as I think it actually is, when sailing under genny alone.

Still, practise will make perfect and we are certainly doing a lot of that.

Happy sailing to you

Pops
 
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