Largest possible boat on pleasure cert..

[Ferretti 881RPH Dreamer]

With all the legally mindes MOBO owners on here i was wondering what the largest boat you can own/use on a pleasure cert.
Looking at some of the builders specs for different boats there appears to be large difference in builders ratings on certs..
All ideas greatfull...

Andrew

 

[benjenbav]

Lots of enlightenment on here:

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287026&highlight=200+gross

In summary: 25-ish metres.

 

[prv]

With all the legally mindes MOBO owners on here i was wondering what the largest boat you can own/use on a pleasure cert.

Go on then, what's a "pleasure cert"?

The weight of regulation does depend on size of boat though - there's a small hurdle at 12 metres, and I believe a much bigger one at 24. Haven't looked into that though as I have no desire to ever own such a big boat

Pete

 

[Ferretti 881RPH Dreamer]

Go on then, what's a "pleasure cert"?

You have pleasure certification and commercial certification so that is my question how big can you go on a pleasure certification....

 

[benjenbav]

Ah, now you may just be muddying the waters! For example, I (and many others on here) have a commercially endorsed YM certificate and that covers 200 grt = Load Line Length of [greater of] (i) 96% of the total length on a waterline at 85% of the least moulded depth measured from the top of the keel, and (ii) the length from the foreside of the stem to the axis of the rudder stock on that waterline.

A master mariner would still say that was for pleasure boats, tho'.

 

[mjf]

I'm unsure what a pleasure cert is? Pls expand

 

[prv]

Go on then, what's a "pleasure cert"?

You have pleasure certification and commercial certification so that is my question how big can you go on a pleasure certification....

Well, some certificates merely certify that you went on a course (I have one of those), some certify that you have passed particular practical exams and so can be described as qualifications. There are different levels of qualification and with very large boats some of them start to become mandatory. But equally, there are many people who operate their boats perfectly legally with no certificates whatsoever.

Pete

 

[mjf]

Well thats my point you do not require anything if its your own boat for your own use up to 200grt or whatever

 

[Ferretti 881RPH Dreamer]

Well thats my point you do not require anything if its your own boat for your own use up to 200grt or whatever[/QUOTE

The reason i ask is that if you look at a lot of builders they tell you the craft is either pleasure or commercial usage, i'm trying find out how big can you go in the pleasure group certification.

 

[jfm]

i'm trying find out how big can you go in the pleasure group certification.

You have to specify the jurisdiction if you want that precise an answer. For a UK registered vessel there is no size limit: you can register a 50 footer as commercial vessel and you can register a 300 footer as pleasure vessel, if you want.

Quite different on the US registry, for example. And quite different if you are asking what size vessel you can be skipper of on this or that personal certificate.

To care about pleasure or commercial status on your boat's registration you have to have a particular reason that makes it relevant. Like, say, Italian or French VAT or intended charter use

I'm not sure though that you're asking the right question, but I cant figure out exaclty what it is you want to know

 

[Ferretti 881RPH Dreamer]

You have to specify the jurisdiction if you want that precise an answer. For a UK registered vessel there is no size limit: you can register a 50 footer as commercial vessel and you can register a 300 footer as pleasure vessel, if you want.

Quite different on the US registry, for example. And quite different if you are asking what size vessel you can be skipper of on this or that personal certificate.

To care about pleasure or commercial status on your boat's registration you have to have a particular reason that makes it relevant. Like, say, Italian or French VAT or intended charter use

I'm not sure though that you're asking the right question, but I cant figure out exaclty what it is you want to know

Sorry if i'm not being very clear as i'm not even sure i know myself now... Lets say i have the money to buy say a 120ft MOTOR YACHT, some builders say it is pleasure certificated and others say boats that size are commercial rated.. do i make sence know?

 

[prv]

The reason i ask is that if you look at a lot of builders they tell you the craft is either pleasure or commercial usage, i'm trying find out how big can you go in the pleasure group certification.

Oh - so you're not asking about the skipper's qualifications (or lack thereof), but rather about some certificate attached to the boat?

It's not an issue I've ever heard of before. Most boats, especially the larger ones you're interested in, are inherently suited to either pleasure or work. You wouldn't buy a new dredger or bunker-barge or harbour tug as a pleasure craft, and you wouldn't buy a 100-foot motor-cruiser to service the buoys on a mussel farm. So the issue doesn't arise.

Pete

 

[Ferretti 881RPH Dreamer]

Cheers Pete, this is all wishfull thinking but its nice to know the rules as such, I would loe to be able to retire early and move onto a large boat as a liveaboard in the East Med.. I've found that the builds make it so hard when nothing really makes sence when they all have different ways of putting things...

 

[prv]

I've found that the builds make it so hard when nothing really makes sence when they all have different ways of putting things...

Have you got a link to any examples of builders listing motor yachts as "commercial"? Someone here might be able to explain what the statement actually means in context.

I would guess it's either marketing puffery suggesting that something is particularly robust ("commercial grade bilge pumps") or a statement that the vessel would comply with the regulations that would apply to her if operated as a charter boat (but which country's regulations?)

Pete

 

[V1701]

Unless you're rich or likely to become so you'd be better off taking up sailing...

 

[Ferretti 881RPH Dreamer]

Pete, best i got is the price list fom Sunseeker (Poole) they have the boats listed as pleasure craft and commercial craft...

 

[Reverend Ludd]

There was another thread running some time ago on this very subject and I ended up having several conversations with the bods at the MCA.
They were not 100% sure believe it or not but as I recall that there was no restriction as long as you (the owner) were the skipper and there was no paying passengers.
I'll try and find the link.

 

[Nick_H]

Have you got a link to any examples of builders listing motor yachts as "commercial"? Someone here might be able to explain what the statement actually means in context.

Pleasure boats can be commercially registered if they're used in the line of a business, eg. sea school or charter boat.

 

[prv]

Pleasure boats can be commercially registered if they're used in the line of a business, eg. sea school or charter boat.

Sure, but the OP seems to be talking about builders listing a particular model as commercial, not an individual boat being coded.

Pete

 

[elioti]

as i understand it, a pleasure boat maybe constructed for commercial use and ` coded` if its used for commercial use, for an example a 24m sunseeker could be commecially registered as it may be used to take people on trips. If you buy a commercial vessel, i`m sure you dont have to use it as such, could be used personally. Didnt think there was a size limit it for leisure use only. I know someone who registered their private boat commercially to save on fuel costs, as they can but fuel at the cheap rate. Cant see its an issue wether you buy a commercial vessel or a private one if its for private use, would have thought a vessel used for private use of a similar type would be that much cheaper to buy. Someone may correct me?