KOS or should it be spelt KAS

[miyagimoon]

We arrive at Kos mid afternoon yesterday (Saturday) to find that the Town Harbour Quay where visiting yachts usually moor was full. So we joined the other 4 yachts, 2 Gulets and 3 Superyachts at anchor outside.
We went ashore later and walked round the harbour. As said the usual yacht berths were full. But they were full with, 1 French yacht, 1 German yacht, 4 American (okay Turkish registered in Delaware), 3 Gin Palaces, Delaware again and the rest of the quay was taken up by Gulets. One of which was playing loud Turkish music.

Have the Turks took over Kos or was it just one of those days.

 

[Steve C Cronin]

It is spelt:-

" Κως "

Any translation into the latin alphabet can only be a phonetic approximation.

 

[BobnLesley]

It's the same here Albert; well OK, there's perhaps not quite such high proportion as we found in Turkey/eastern-Med, but there does seem to be an inordinate amount of US-flagged boats around here.

I've dug the Turkish phrase book out the locker for when we reach Delaware

 

[akyaka]

It is spelt:-

" Κως "

Any translation into the latin alphabet can only be a phonetic approximation.

Well it has been since 1948 when it was incorporated into Greece.

 

[catmandoo]

Big Turkish boats seem come and go as they please into Greece .
We on the other hand have to pay to enter turkey Visa and Cruising permit where as They seem to go anywhere with out checking in .

Is there some sort of special relationship or is Greece scared to offend a bigger neighbour?

 

[Squeaky]

Big Turkish boats seem come and go as they please into Greece .
We on the other hand have to pay to enter turkey Visa and Cruising permit where as They seem to go anywhere with out checking in .

Is there some sort of special relationship or is Greece scared to offend a bigger neighbour?

Good afternoon:

I would suggest from the contents of your post that you have absolutely no idea of what is involved when Turkish flagged yachts arrive in Greece nor what formalities are involved.

Before making snarky remarks about a country I would suggest that you investigate a bit further to determine if there is any truth behind your claims or negative suggestions.

If you don't like the formalities and costs when checking into Turkey, I suggest you don't visit there.

Regards

Squeaky

 

[nigelmercier]

Or perhaps "spelled"

 

[catmandoo]

Good afternoon:

I would suggest from the contents of your post that you have absolutely no idea of what is involved when Turkish flagged yachts arrive in Greece nor what formalities are involved.

Before making snarky remarks about a country I would suggest that you investigate a bit further to determine if there is any truth behind your claims or negative suggestions.

If you don't like the formalities and costs when checking into Turkey, I suggest you don't visit there.

Regards

Squeaky

Good Evening Pal
Salaam Alecum

As I appear to be an ignorant peasant despite having spent several years in Turkish waters Perhaps you could advise me of the real situation is sufficient detail such that I and others might be more circumspect .

Deepest apologies
Your humble servant

etc etc
Catmandoodle doo the noo

 

[Steve C Cronin]

Good Evening Pal
Salaam Alecum

As I appear to be an ignorant peasant despite having spent several years in Turkish waters Perhaps you could advise me of the real situation is sufficient detail such that I and others might be more circumspect .

Deepest apologies
Your humble servant

etc etc
Catmandoodle doo the noo

I was composing a similar response! We still seem to get those on here who think it is their mission to "Put Down their Inferiors"

This seemingly inequitous treatment of visiting gulletts had always puzzled me. Maybe, they arrange the whole thing by radio and credit transfer, just like the big ships do in the "Diagora Korrinthos", eh?

Still think that your "pal"'s comments were excessively snooty for us shorts wearing, sweaty yot bods in our little plastic tubs though!

 

[charles_reed]

I'm surprised Steve didn't accuse Squeaky of "going native" as he usually does James B. Such a charmingly pre-1st War concept, originating in the Raj. It's great having such stout traditionalists on this site.

I would agree that compared to my last couple of E Aegean visits, the number of Turkish boats (I actually saw two with the star & crescent) has increased dramatically. I've also found the Turks are at least as amusing, co-operative and loquacious as any Brits (frequently more so). We (11 boats) were asked to clear Mythimna wall for a Turkish Gulet, arriving @ 15:00 the following day and leaving @ 21:00 - from this I assume they pre-arranged their arrival with the Port Police.

All very sensible, civilised and, as Turks are free-spending tourists, the Greek authorities are well-advised to smooth their path and take their money. After all it's their (the Greeks') main income and they'd be on starvation rations relying on stingy Brits (who avoid paying their harbour dues wherever possible) or impecunious French.
Incidentally - so Steve (& others) sees Themselves as others see us - the French find Brits, arrogant, ill-mannered and incomprehensible - in my experience, properly treated, they're some of the most hospitable, courteous and seamanlike nationalities whom I've met at sea.

In reply to Squeaky: - I took the view, long-term, that Turkey was heading for a political impassé, with the reactionary Anatolian 60%, increasingly at odds with the 30% secularists, so I've done just as he suggested - not visited. So frequently it's the innocent bystander who gets injured in any internecine fight.

 

[Squeaky]

Good Evening Pal
Salaam Alecum
As I appear to be an ignorant peasant despite having spent several years in Turkish waters Perhaps you could advise me of the real situation is sufficient detail such that I and others might be more circumspect .
Deepest apologies
Your humble servant
etc etc
Catmandoodle doo the noo

Good morning Catmandoo:

I don't think I should be held responsible for how you appear on this forum - "by their posts ye shall know them" - Matthew 7:20.

Rather than take offense from my comment you might take the suggestion to heart and spend a little more time researching any subject you wish to comment on before actually posting it or you might even post a question requesting clarification of the matter first before making negative suggestions.

Don't understand how spending several years in Turkish waters has anything to do with your lack of knowledge concerning the formalities for Turkish yachts entering Greece.

Possibly you are suggesting that time spent in any country gives them an understanding of everything concerning that country - possibly by osmosis. For that matter these posts do not concern Turkey but relates to yachts wearing their flags entering Greece ports.

Cheers

Squeaky

 

[Squeaky]

In reply to Squeaky: - I took the view, long-term, that Turkey was heading for a political impassé, with the reactionary Anatolian 60%, increasingly at odds with the 30% secularists, so I've done just as he suggested - not visited. So frequently it's the innocent bystander who gets injured in any internecine fight.

Good morning Charles:

Regardless of the corruption scandals of 17 and 25 Dec last year involving the current government and chaos on the Eastern Border there has been no noticeable change as far as foreigners are concerned. Unless one watched the TV news or read the local papers one would not even be aware of these events.

There is a bit of confusion concerning residence permits because of the creation of a new department to handle immigration and border controls which are experiencing the normal problems caused by new untrained staff etc.

Cheers

Squeaky

 

[catmandoo]

Good morning Catmandoo:

I don't think I should be held responsible for how you appear on this forum - "by their posts ye shall know them" - Matthew 7:20.

Rather than take offense from my comment you might take the suggestion to heart and spend a little more time researching any subject you wish to comment on before actually posting it or you might even post a question requesting clarification of the matter first before making negative suggestions.

Don't understand how spending several years in Turkish waters has anything to do with your lack of knowledge concerning the formalities for Turkish yachts entering Greece.

Possibly you are suggesting that time spent in any country gives them an understanding of everything concerning that country - possibly by osmosis. For that matter these posts do not concern Turkey but relates to yachts wearing their flags entering Greece ports.

Cheers

Squeaky

Good Morning Mr Squeaky

Since arriving In Scotland from the middle East in 1946 I have struggled to understand the natives and even more so on people using forums or is it fora . In any case after all these years I have now decided to avoid the obfuscation and cut to the quick

so please tell me in your vast knowledge how large Turkish Gulets can arrive at small islands in Greece loaded with tourist s without seeming to connect with the port police or go through a passport rigmarole ? I would like to do the same Legally

The islanders tell me they dont spend any money being all in tourist packages and only drop rubbish and spend money in the supermarkets and shrug their shoulders saying " This is Greece "

 

[catmandoo]

I'm surprised Steve didn't accuse Squeaky of "going native" as he usually does James B. Such a charmingly pre-1st War concept, originating in the Raj. It's great having such stout traditionalists on this site.

I would agree that compared to my last couple of E Aegean visits, the number of Turkish boats (I actually saw two with the star & crescent) has increased dramatically. I've also found the Turks are at least as amusing, co-operative and loquacious as any Brits (frequently more so). We (11 boats) were asked to clear Mythimna wall for a Turkish Gulet, arriving @ 15:00 the following day and leaving @ 21:00 - from this I assume they pre-arranged their arrival with the Port Police.

All very sensible, civilised and, as Turks are free-spending tourists, the Greek authorities are well-advised to smooth their path and take their money. After all it's their (the Greeks') main income and they'd be on starvation rations relying on stingy Brits (who avoid paying their harbour dues wherever possible) or impecunious French.
Incidentally - so Steve (& others) sees Themselves as others see us - the French find Brits, arrogant, ill-mannered and incomprehensible - in my experience, properly treated, they're some of the most hospitable, courteous and seamanlike nationalities whom I've met at sea.

In reply to Squeaky: - I took the view, long-term, that Turkey was heading for a political impassé, with the reactionary Anatolian 60%, increasingly at odds with the 30% secularists, so I've done just as he suggested - not visited. So frequently it's the innocent bystander who gets injured in any internecine fight.

Visited western Turkey earlier this year. All the Turks we met there and also in the past have been very courteous , friendly and pro western Europe . Extremely business like and competent people who could do a lot to sort out the bureaucracy of western Europe if they were allowed to join. Not so in the backward east . However it was around the time of the local elections that I was there and there was great concern about the the destabilising effect of Erdogan's policies . A great pity that man has so much power arising for the uneducated east . Another Thailand perhaps ?

I think Squeaky must be wearing dark glasses when he reads posts as i have reread my post and can find nothing offensive in it . His reply give me a picture of an old retired pedantic schoolmaster correcting spelling and grammar rather than responding to the question posed

Ah well we have all had our day

 

[akyaka]

Not so in the backward east

A great pity that man has so much power arising for the uneducated east

All children are required to attend school for 12 years. It isn't education but conservatism that supports what I consider are Erdogan's traditionalist policies. Many of the business like people that you came across probably originated in the eastern part of the country and may even have gone to university there.

 

[satsuma]

All children are required to attend school for 12 years. It isn't education but conservatism that supports what I consider are Erdogan's traditionalist policies. Many of the business like people that you came across probably originated in the eastern part of the country and may even have gone to university there.

All children are required to attend school, but in the east this is "enforced" significantly less so! but even the compulsory attendance in state schools, is only for half days! The schools operate two shifts, where you either go to school in the morning or in the afternoon, so 4 hours a day maximum, with homework mind!

After the general election erdogan commissioned a report to understand why more people didn't vote for him and his party. The results showed that 80% of his support was declared as uneducated (or at least not university graduates) at the same time 80% of his opposition, were in fact declared as educated.

The recent local elections were rife with allegations of corruption and scandal, with a number of results actually cancelled and re-voted on, but the relatively marginal majority that exists, is likely to come from those who appreciate the economical stability, rather more than conservative values.

 

[akyaka]

Aware of all that satsuma but it was a response to a generality assertion that the east of the country was backward and uneducated particularly as by his own admission catmandoo has only visited "western Turkey".

 

[catmandoo]

Aware of all that satsuma but it was a response to a generality assertion that the east of the country was backward and uneducated particularly as by his own admission catmandoo has only visited "western Turkey".

I don't suppose Finike and Antalya are considered western but a lot more peasants there if one goes by the types of people I met in the Saturday market . However I can't comment if central Turkey and North Eastern Turkey is comparable in any way the the west .

on th either hand I would consider that rural does not mean uneducated but that it is different in political view point from city life as illustrated in Thailand and similar countries

 

[Steve C Cronin]

I'm surprised Steve didn't accuse Squeaky of "going native" as he usually does James B. Such a charmingly pre-1st War concept, originating in the Raj. It's great having such stout traditionalists on this site.

I would agree that compared to my last couple of E Aegean visits, the number of Turkish boats (I actually saw two with the star & crescent) has increased dramatically. I've also found the Turks are at least as amusing, co-operative and loquacious as any Brits (frequently more so). We (11 boats) were asked to clear Mythimna wall for a Turkish Gulet, arriving @ 15:00 the following day and leaving @ 21:00 - from this I assume they pre-arranged their arrival with the Port Police.

All very sensible, civilised and, as Turks are free-spending tourists, the Greek authorities are well-advised to smooth their path and take their money. After all it's their (the Greeks') main income and they'd be on starvation rations relying on stingy Brits (who avoid paying their harbour dues wherever possible) or impecunious French.
Incidentally - so Steve (& others) sees Themselves as others see us - the French find Brits, arrogant, ill-mannered and incomprehensible - in my experience, properly treated, they're some of the most hospitable, courteous and seamanlike nationalities whom I've met at sea.

In reply to Squeaky: - I took the view, long-term, that Turkey was heading for a political impassé, with the reactionary Anatolian 60%, increasingly at odds with the 30% secularists, so I've done just as he suggested - not visited. So frequently it's the innocent bystander who gets injured in any internecine fight.

I'd read it again Charles, if I were you, especially the middle bit which offers a possible solution in a comparison with the payment methods in the Corinth Canal!

That way you won't look so foolish in future by taking an entirely unjustified swipe in your usual arrogant manner.

Mix & match - "dogs, tricks teach can't, you" and "old" for a possible answer to that or as an alternative, try - "grunt, expect, pig, a, a, from, what can you", and "but"!

Oh, & BTW, FYI thre is NO acute accent on the letter "e" in the word "impasse"

 

[akyaka]

I don't suppose Finike and Antalya are considered western but a lot more peasants there if one goes by the types of people I met in the Saturday market . However I can't comment if central Turkey and North Eastern Turkey is comparable in any way the the west .

on th either hand I would consider that rural does not mean uneducated but that it is different in political view point from city life as illustrated in Thailand and similar countries

Both are approximately a third of the way across Turkey, Antalya being approx 1600 km from the Iran border - hardly in the East. At the last elections Antalya voted for the CHP ( opposition ) candidate. You shouldn't judge people by their looks.