Kipling and seamanship

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I came across this:

All things considered, if I were to embark on an ocean passage as a navigator today, I would not leave the dock without a GPS. However, knowing the limitations of AA batteries and electricity in general in a wet, salty environment, I would also bring along my sextant, Nautical Almanac and star-finder. I would also take to heart Rudyard Kipling’s warning to an Arabic ship’s master, or Nakoda:

“The new ship here is fitted according to the reported increase of knowledge among mankind. Namely, she is cumbered end to end, with bells and trumpets and clock and wires, it has been told to me, can call voices out of the air of the waters to con the ship while her crew sleep. But sleep thou lightly. It has not yet been told to me that the Sea has ceased to be the Sea.”

Anyone care to comment?
 
I note that NASA are trialling an Astra IIB Pro sextant for use on their planned Mars exped.....
Maybe GPS has its limitations. ;)
 
I note that NASA are trialling an Astra IIB Pro sextant for use on their planned Mars exped.....
Maybe GPS has its limitations. ;)

As for 'Alex', I'm reminded of .....
'That's a funny piece of water,' said Captain Hamilton - Joseph Conrad, The Shadow Line

'In order to finish first, you've first got to finish'

'Lead, log and lookout'....
 
But sleep thou lightly. It has not yet been told to me that the Sea has ceased to be the Sea.”

That's the important bit.

Plus, people have not ceased to be people, sometimes forgetful, negligent and downright stupid. And I include me in people
 
Old, hard earned lessons will prevail. From submarining and I hazard a guess aviating, always have a backup to your backups backup.......
 
Old, hard earned lessons will prevail. From submarining and I hazard a guess aviating, always have a backup to your backups backup.......

Yup.

I'm guessing there are no old, bold submariner skippers either.....

Aside: I'm going to a short talk in Bath booksellers Toppings, in a few days, by one Richard Humphries, author of 'Under Pressure'. He will apparently take the lid off life in a detergent sub. I've always considered submariners as the most 'closed' of mil types.... they won't even talk to each other, never mind anyone else.

Any good questions I should ask him?
 
Pardon me for asking, but does anyone have the slightest idea what this thread is about? Other than a bit of ancient wisdom that 'the sea is the sea'? :confused:

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A lot of Airmanship was derived from Seamanship, surprisingly. And much of that was learned by the Maritime Reconnaissance types - especially those who sailed in the Shackletons. ( a snide aside about their speed - or rather, their lack of it )

'The Shacklebomber - the only aircraft not fitted with an Airspeed Indicator. Instead, they had a calendar.....'

'The Shacklebomber used to trail a long wire out the back. No, not for HF comms, but 'spinning for mackerel.'

'Twenty-thousand rivets in close formation'

'When they've been down in the Azores, sunbathing and sub hunting, they don't File a Flightplan to announce their intended return; they send a postcard. Second class....'

And the old one....

"I say, pilot, what are those twin machine guns for, protruding from the nose?' 'Well sir, it's for shooting down enemy submarines, sir.'

'How do you do that, my man?' Well, we drops a large lot of green paint where we think a sub might be, and when he pops 'is periscope up to see what's going on, it gets all covered in yon green paint. He thinks he's still too far down in the sea, so he keeps on coming up.... and coming up..... and when he gets to 300 feet, we shoots him down.'
 
Pardon me for asking, but does anyone have the slightest idea what this thread is about? Other than a bit of ancient wisdom that 'the sea is the sea'? :confused:
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Its always a pleasure to quote brother Kipling, and though he is famous for his stories about an orphaned indian boy and an orphaned boy raised by indians, he had an interest in boats and the rigour of sailing them as evidenced by the Puck stories etc
 
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