Kim T60 MBY review

[gcwhite]

Kim, as you will have seen from the M50 vs T60 debate virtually everyone who posted a note thought that the T60 is pretty poor; so how did MBY's reviewer think it was so good. I was also suspicious that he was taken ill on the day of the rough sea trial and was unable to comment.


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[ari]

Have you ever seen a bad boat report in MBY...??? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[MapisM]

Or in any boating magazine, actually........

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[rickp]

If you're pitching for a job as a reviewer, I think you need to fill in your bio or expand on your obviously vast experience a little more /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Rick

 

[BrendanS]

A disgruntled ex Sealine employee by the sound of things

 

[Roy]

Why is it that you so readily knock the sealine brand. Not just this post which may of course be justified, but many times over last few months. I happen to own a sealine and am very pleased with it. It is my choice. I can afford a million pound boat but am quite happy for now with my lttle sealine. I never never knock another product or another boaters choice because to that person it is a very special choice into which they invest time, money and attention and, some love too. What to you own yourself and did you ever, or even actually have a boat? Maybe you just prefer to hide behind an empty profile and snipe away without fear of recrimination? Come out of the closet and be more objective and much less critical for the benefit of others!

 

[gcwhite]

I was only observing the comments of others and comparing them to the Review.
Actually I was quite surprised by the views expressed with regard to the T60. I have only examined it superficially but apart from obvious poor taste with some of the decor I thought it was ok. I will now look closer.

I am simply being objective. I understand your view and you, and many others, have made choices that suit them and I respect that. It doesn't prevent me or others from expressing our opinions.

I prefer to maintain my privacy but I do own a motor yacht in the 50- 60 ft range. You will note, however, that I regularly praise Fairline, Sunseeker, Princess, Azimut and others.

 

[kimhollamby]

Sorry, only just catching up on this.

From memory I think the point made by the reviewer (qualified naval architect David Marsh who has in fact ruffled a lot of manufacturers' feathers over the years with his comments) was that he got ill because he spent an extended time doing something not terribly wise for a potential mal de mer sufferer in a big sea, namely head down examining things, reading things and writing. It doesn't much matter at that point what you are on; if it is moving around and the tummy follows suit then life gets miserable until you sit under an oak tree.

I haven't spent any great length of time on the T60 but on the short sea trial I managed to get out on I thought it went well enough. A point made well in the 50 vs 60 thread was that it does move Sealine up another step in terms of the people it is trying to appeal to and that in turn opens the company up to greater scrutiny, and for that matter place it up against all manner of subjective opinions.

I suspect that parent Brunswick is positioning Sealine to compete at the upper end of the production market while still keeping a hold in the smaller ranges; there has been a lot of investment pouring into Kidderminster of late. It will be fascinating to see what evolves.

Beyond that I'm not particularly well qualified to comment at this stage because I haven't had enough time on the boat to really formulate an objective view and I haven't got a copy of the test in front of me.

 

[oldgit]

Why............

Why are some Sealine owners so touchy about their boats.They fill an undoubted gap in the market to get folks onto the water who are increasingly ignored by rich git builders /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif like Princess and Fairline.Anyway at least Bayliner owners will have something to aspire to.
That new coupe looks rather nice now that the lumps and bumps mob have seen the light and found that straight lines do the job rather better. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[ari]

Re: Why............

Because they see a list price that is often very close to Princess/Fairline prices and therefore consider that they must be equal. The fact that they get offered such amazing deals for their old boat in part exchange is purely down to their fantastic negotiating skills apparently...

 

[[2068]]

Re: Why............

Mainly because the criticism is "because it's a Sealine" as opposed to specific reasons why they have bought something inferior. Styling is subjective, but as an example, I ran an older boat previously, and because I wanted it to be in reasonably good nick, spent 40% of the time on maintenance, which wasn't the right balance.

So I want something lower maintenance and newer, and every other British manufacturer has pulled out of the sub-30ft market, which left me with the choice of American (tried to buy a Sundancer 240, but no-one returned my calls), or a Sealine S24.

... and then everyone takes the p*ss out of my choice. Can you not see why I might be slightly wound up ? These days, you can have a mahogany and mastic Bavaria, or a lidded Aquador, but these weren't options in 2000...

dv.

 

[halcyon]

Re: Why............

Afraid most is myth, in the 1990/1991 spent hours each month in meeting at Kidderminster and Plymouth. At Plymouth it was meeting to make Princess more modern like Sealine, next day it was a meeting at Sealine. They were fed up being market leaders and wanted do despec to the same level as Princess and others.
Trouble was due to client confidence, I could tell neither what was happening.
For balance the same thing was happening with other builder's as well.
It's the difference between the view from inside and the view from outside looking in. But I'm afraid Kidderminter was the catalyst for a lot of what we see in modern UK motor boats.

Brian

 

[hlb]

Re: Why............

Perhaps why I cant get to grips with any new boat. It's all about design and nothing about function. I want a boat that is right for cruising to where ever! Harbour walls? Dont want to walk over sun beds, or have cleats in silly positions. Once I'm happy, they can sunbath all they want. But not untill!!

 

[Roy]

Re: Why............

Hi

I'm not touchy personally - except when eyeno deliberately berates the brand with glee it seems at every opportunity and also creates opportunities to have a pop as well. Don't think he has a boat personally anyway.

 

[hlb]

Re: Why............

Well he has got 162 posts under his belt!!

 

[rickp]

Re: Why............

Definitely a windup merchant. The question is - who? Doesn't have the usual scottish overtones....

Rick

 

[halcyon]

Re: Why............

It's known as progress.
In the 80's they were designed by 'boaters', Sealine owed a lot to Tom wanting a proper usable motor boat, and no-one made one, so he decided he would.
The 90's the boater's employed commercial designers to design modern looking boats. but still had input to make them pratical to use.
Now we artistic designer's, and I'll leave it at that.

Brian

 

[Wiggo]

Re: Why............

I'm not touchy about my boat - I'm immensely proud of my boat, and I've invested (in my books) a large chunk of cash in it. People (inc me) get hacked off by anonymous, pointless and unsupported slagging of an entire brand. What do these people expect? That one day the scales will fall from my eyes, and I'll wake up to realise that I made a huge mistake? Do they not think I have some intelligence, and that I chose the boat becuase it happened to be the best boat for me at the time/price/size? Or perhaps, EyeNo thinks that we're all brand-obsessed wannabees, and only bought a Sealine because we couldn't afford a Princess/Fairline/Sunseeker - because that's the patronizing tone that comes acorss, and that's what really gets my goat...