Joyton's record & Team Ellen

[sabresailor]

Joyton\'s record & Team Ellen

Interested in other folks views on this one - the aspect of shore assistance / not.

As I understand it Joyton relied only on his own interpretation of weather & other data he had available on board.

Ellen however seems to have substantial 'assistance' from her shore team - especially 'Commanders' weather centre.

So if she does break the record for going around alone - perhaps the Joyton record was on a different basis.

Interestingly, the Vendee Globe web sites states at the top 'without assistance' - I assume to stress these folks are definitely on there own.

Of course, I hope Ellen makes it home safely - perhaps with a record - but one where the shore help is recognised.

Comments!!

Mike

 

[sailorman]

Re: Joyton\'s record & Team Ellen

[So if she does break the record for going around alone - perhaps the Joyton record was on a different basis.]
i havnt followed B&Q @ all i think the 2 attempts are quite different & the media should`nt compare them.
Joyton had a 2nd hand boat for a start not "State of the ART" @ no expence spared.
good luck to Ellen she deserves it ( she has also done more sailing in the past few weeks than mostof us in a life time ) but She is a "Team"

 

[Talbot]

Re: Joyton\'s record & Team Ellen

Yes ellen has a shore support team, and these are allowed by the rules of this race. Joyon did it without very much assistance and with almost no finance by comparison with B&Q. However, his boat was a lot bigger and thus able to achieve higher speeds. Ellen has set records for every aspect of this race so far, and she certainly has my support for the finish and for everything she has done so far. Pity it was done at this time of the year, the few people in this country who might have heard about it , will undoubtedly have forgotten by next Christmas,, wehn the vote for the "personality" of the year.

 

[Peppermint]

Re: I still don\'t get it.

Sure we should be positive about endevour But, I don't get this lioness'izing of this young business woman as a sports person.

This current event is a business stunt. It's not a sport. It's in the same mold as Evil Knevil or David Blain not Matthew Pincent or Kelly Holmes.

Ellen is, just as many before her have done in a wide variety of fields, employing capital, analyzing risk, getting support and meeting objectives.

Ellen is the front end of a very successful, British, small business. Business Women of the year? Well she's in with a shout. Sports personality I hardly think so.

In the past Ellen has raced a few times so I suppose she's a sportsperson but that doesn't make everything she does sport. Henry Cooper was clearly a sportsman but, because he was advertising Brute that didn't make wearing aftershave a sport.

 

[Joe_Cole]

Re: Joyton\'s record & Team Ellen

It seems to me that all she is doing is making the most of available technology. Nothing wrong with shore based assistance (anymore than "space based" assistance when GPS is used). All she is getting is data; she is still the one pulling the strings, climbing the mast, changing the sails, and putting up with those conditions.

It's progress, and she is right to use everything possible to improve her performance and safety.

At risk of being accused of lionising her; I hope she does it!

 

[frilaens]

Web page comparison

Anyone else tired of the Team Ellen web pages? I drop in every day as I want to follow her progress but get put off reading in depth by the style of writing; she seems to be in a "constant state of nervous tension" or exhausted and close to the edge type stuff the whole time. Can't be good in a hearing if something happens! There is too much focus on this stuff and the intermediate "records". The Vendee is much better with a much broader range of topics of interest.

 

[sabresailor]

Re: Joyton\'s record & Team Ellen

[All she is getting is data] - I think the 'Commanders Weather' folks are also giving her routing info!!

 

[aitchw]

Re: I still don\'t get it.

Is motor racing not a sport then? F1 is way ahead of Ellen's endeavour in money and business interests terms.

Every top flight sportsperson has a support team, coaches, physios, agents, sponsors etc. and looks for income derived from performance. Only the scale is different.

Do you think Joyon would have turned down the opportunity to do it on the same basis as Ellen? I doubt it.

At the end of the day she is the one at the sharp end and has to perform just as any other sportsperson does. Absolutely no difference.

This is one remarkable women!

As far as the website commentary is concerned it is a pain the arse. They could and should learn from the Vendee crowd who are informative and knowledgeable and don't go in for the melodrama. Worlds apart in quality.

 

[Talbot]

Re: Joyton\'s record & Team Ellen

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[All she is getting is data] - I think the 'Commanders Weather' folks are also giving her routing info!!

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Routing info is data! If you read the web site (painful though it is) it is apparent that she is getting weather data from more than one source, and probably also doing her own weather forecasting direct from the charts. Even the average long distance cruiser has access to identical data (for example Herb provides this service across the atlantic) The final decision is hers, as are the bruises and sleep deprivation.

I dont care what her detractors have to say, this is one gutsy woman who is pushing the edge of performance. She has my support!

 

[sabresailor]

Re: Joyton\'s record & Team Ellen

Commanders weather clearly have much more data available than than a boat going around alone with only on board data. I think 'routing information' / suggested courses, etc - for Ellen then to review and accept or reject - this is a little different than Joyton making decisions on his own IMO.

Of course amazing achievement whatever - but to me this is not quite apples & apples.

 

[aitchw]

Re: Joyton\'s record & Team Ellen

This is an all out attempt to set a speed record as was Joyon's trip. If the application of the best technical & management support is not part of the game then every development in speed records of any sort, land air water become devalued. If the conditions under which a record was set for the first time were enforced as the conditions under which all subsequent records had to be set we would move on very slowly if at all.

 

[pcv]

Re: Joyton\'s record & Team Ellen

I dont beleave what Im reading, Ellen is trying to break the record with the support of a shore team and B&Q and all we can do is pick fault what cr**.

When on the boat this weekend even 5live could only do 4 short reports no wunder all are sporting stars go abroard, I bet if I went to France thy be more informed .

Come on lets give are support

pete /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

 

[Peppermint]

Re: It\'s not the money.

When Michael Schumacher does a sponsors day it's not a sport, a sport is about competition. I'm dubious about how this event of Ellens stacks up as a competition.

The Vendee is a competition. F1 is a competition. This is a record bid. Now in most sports, F1 included, no record applies unless it occurs in a sanctioned race. Sailing is a bit different in that regard and I think the spectacle looses something for that.

No argument about how remarkable Ellen is. She deserves better PR's too. She'll never win a "Sports Personality" type of thing with the present lot, not that I think that worries her at all. I hope she succeeds in achieving what she sets out to do.
I just don't value this particular endevour very much.