JibSheet Replacement

[Fire99]

A further option you could consider is to have a continuous jibsheet;this means each end of the sheet is put through the clew of the jib and a knot tied on each end. Quite useful when single handing and less sheet cluttering up the cockpit. A sheet that is 2 boat lengths will be just about right. 10mm sheets would probably be as large/comfortable to handle. Unless you have a babystay ahead of the mast you are unlikely to have rigging/sheet chafe.


Ianat182

Thanks Ian,

I'm looking at around 8m down eachside which is marginally longer than the boat length but only by a metre or so.

 

[westernman]

I'm just about to do the same thing on my Fantasie (she's 19') - I'm getting 10 metres of 10mm...

I have an eye spliced into the middle of mine - I'll do the same with the new one, and attach it using a shackle (like the current one)...

I just use one piece of rope and just loop the two ends through the jib clew through the loop in the middle of the rope. It never slips, and there is no bowline or anything to catch on anything.

 

[davidbfox]

'Funnily enough i've looked on the Owners Association page since at some point one of the owners of my boat was a member.
However the website seems pretty bare with very little info on it so i'm not sure if the club is still really active.

'

I have a Mirage 28 which shares the same Owners Association website. Useful information on their site is sparse - I always look here for info.

Any comments from Snapdragon and Mirage Owners Assoc?[/QUOTE]

It is active. Good advice and technical info on the phone, regular magazine, poor website.
I'll post the contact details when I find them.

 

[Fire99]

'

I have a Mirage 28 which shares the same Owners Association website. Useful information on their site is sparse - I always look here for info.

Any comments from Snapdragon and Mirage Owners Assoc?

It is active. Good advice and technical info on the phone, regular magazine, poor website.
I'll post the contact details when I find them.[/QUOTE]

thats great, thannks.

Website needs a serious update and is totally uninviting for new members

 

[spiller]

Dyneema Shackles

See www.lirosropes.dk/pictures_org/TheDyneemaSoftShackle(2).doc

I use a single sheet with a central loop and attach with a dyneema shackle. Getting hit by a dyneema shackle is painless and it does no damage flailing around.

 

[Fantasie 19]

I just use one piece of rope and just loop the two ends through the jib clew through the loop in the middle of the rope. It never slips, and there is no bowline or anything to catch on anything.

Genius... I knew there was a point in being here - seriously, it might be obvious to everyone else but this is my first year of sailing! Thanks!

 

[Gumpy]

I'm tempted (and at this stage it's only tempted) to contact the site owner and maybe offer to take it up a notch or two, depending on how many mirage/snappy owners there are still out there and interested in the site.

I offered to set up a secure, forum/mailing list for them and was met by a deafening silence (not even a reply)
The technical officer is the only club officer without an email address so cant even ask a question easily as I dont like phoning someone to ask questions when by email they can deal with it when they want to not when I want to.

I had better shut up now

 

[LadyInBed]

have noticed the Jib-Sheets are frayed down both sides

Inspect the path of the jib sheets and try to determine what is causing the chafe. You might find that you can eliminate / reduce the cause.

 

[Fire99]

I offered to set up a secure, forum/mailing list for them and was met by a deafening silence (not even a reply)
The technical officer is the only club officer without an email address so cant even ask a question easily as I dont like phoning someone to ask questions when by email they can deal with it when they want to not when I want to.

I had better shut up now

Well I emailed them about membership and so far, the silence is deafening. At this rate i'll end up setting up an 'unofficial' alternative.. haha

 

[Fire99]

Inspect the path of the jib sheets and try to determine what is causing the chafe. You might find that you can eliminate / reduce the cause.

Yeah will do. The eyes they travel through are quite old so i'll check they're not rough in any way.

 

[oldsaltoz]

12 m/m matt braid on braid
use 2 sheets with a bowline ( you can then end 4 end them to spread the wear ) . the shackle is dangerous when flapping about

Or you just cut the single (long) sheet in half and get the same result.

 

[john_morris_uk]

Thanks Ian,

I'm looking at around 8m down eachside which is marginally longer than the boat length but only by a metre or so.

The length of your jib sheets should be determined by whethere you can ease the jib right out so that its not drawing - even when you are dead down wind. You might need to be able to depower completely (or as much as you can) and you don't want to come to the end of the sheet and not be able to let the last bit go.

 

[billcole]

Yes I think 10mm might be better than 12mm. Too big can be too cumbersome on the winches although bigger is easier to handle. Make thm a bit longer so you can shorten them if they get worn at ends.
On my little 21fter jib sheets get really hard work. We tack a lot in racing and the cam cleats are not always kind to the rope.

Conversely.... I don't race my 21 footer (Parker 21, headsail about 110 sq feet) and prefer my 12mm sheets to 10mm as I usually tack slowly enough to get them in by hand (which is nicer to have 12mm for ) without using the winch.

I suspect you'll be happy with whichever of those sizes you go for though.

 

[Freedom]

Well I emailed them about membership and so far, the silence is deafening. At this rate i'll end up setting up an 'unofficial' alternative.. haha[/QUOTE

I would join your unofficial alternative..... Snapdragon 26 owner

 

[sailorman]

Hi guys,

This is real novice stuff here but stick with me, i'm still very new to the shift from engines to sails.

I'm doing some 'new boat' checks and have noticed the Jib-Sheets are frayed down both sides so intend to replace.

I've gathered so far that I need braid on braid rope. (a good start )

The current setup is a single line with a loop that connects to a shackle and then that to the headsail. (which is a hank on)

Any suggestions on this or is it simply a case of finding the diameter (6 8 or 10mm) and replacing like for like?

Fairly basic stuff but any suggestions would be appreciated.

rgds,

Nick

12 m/m Matt Braid on Braid

 

[VicS]

finding the diameter (6 8 or 10mm)

6mm much to small,

8mm also too small... OK for dinghies,

10mm will be ok ... mine are 10mm

12mm may be a bit heavy for the sail in light winds. It may not run through the fairleads.

Bought 12 mm for my mainsheet ...... too big to run through the blocks.


As said find the cause of the chafe. Probably the shrouds (or inner forestay) Fit protective sleeves


Can whip a loop in the centre also whipping in a short length of something a little lighter with a stopper knot in it. Loop goes through cringle in sail, other bit with knot goes through loop.
No shackle to hit you in the face, no knots (like two bowlines) to catch on shrouds.

 

[bob26]

Soft eye

I just use one piece of rope and just loop the two ends through the jib clew through the loop in the middle of the rope. It never slips, and there is no bowline or anything to catch on anything.

Then you would have to take both ends of the sheet to the foredeck everytime you change headsail.

I am with those who don't like shackles flailing about on the end of a foresail. I use a one piece sheet with a soft eye whipped into the centre (that is a shortish loop of rope long enough to pass through the sail cringle) . When whipping this eye I also whip in a short legth of rope - about 6 inches long. To attach the sheet I pass the eye through the cringle and then the short piece of rope through the eye to prevent it pulling out again. The pressure on the sheet pulling it back through the sail eyelet locks the short stopper rope in place and stops it slipping out until you are ready to change sails and relax the strain and ease the pressure on the stopper. You can tie a knot in the end of the stopper if you want but I've never found this necessary.

 

[Fire99]

Strewth, my old thread has bounced back up again.

I went for 10mm in the end and it works very nicely. I new bowlines every time I go out so it spreads the wear around.

Unofficial Snapdragon owners club?? Surely not. But let me have the details.

I'm actually a member of the official one now. I'm keeping the jury open as to whether it's worth it or not. Saying that the webmaster role is up for grabs so that may help make the club look more open for business.

 

[fergie_mac66]

Then you would have to take both ends of the sheet to the foredeck everytime you change headsail.

I am with those who don't like shackles flailing about on the end of a foresail. I use a one piece sheet with a soft eye whipped into the centre (that is a shortish loop of rope long enough to pass through the sail cringle) . When whipping this eye I also whip in a short legth of rope - about 6 inches long. To attach the sheet I pass the eye through the cringle and then the short piece of rope through the eye to prevent it pulling out again. The pressure on the sheet pulling it back through the sail eyelet locks the short stopper rope in place and stops it slipping out until you are ready to change sails and relax the strain and ease the pressure on the stopper. You can tie a knot in the end of the stopper if you want but I've never found this necessary.

This is good but can be done similarly with 2 sheets you can end for end them when frayed or one piece and cut and rewhip when you want to end for end them ..12mm a lot less hard on the hands when some weight in the wind.

If you get flappin clew with a shackle on in a force 5 upwards and get hit in the face you will look like Berlesconi! in the papers today !

edit: spose it rude to laugh but my sister in law lives in Sicily

 

[MM5AHO]

If you use two seperate sheets, a good idea is to use two colours. Put red on the left and green on the right and it becomes an ever-present reminder to those that need reminding which side is red (port) and which green (starboard).