Jib sheet knots?

[Clyde_Wanderer]

What is the better way of securing the two sheets to the genoa without the knots hanging up on the forward lower shrouds when tacking?
At present they are secured with bowlines, which seem very bulky and get hung up quite often.
Appreciate any advice, Cheers, C_W.

 

[wooslehunter]

How about running the shrouds through some 25mm (or larger) plastic pipe? It makes the shroud diameter far larger and less likely to sna.

 

[jonathankent]

I have heard/seen that the best way is to use one piece of, dare I say it, rope... and feed down one side of the boat through the sail and then back down the other side of the boat, whislt fastening together with a bit of whipping type magic to hold in the sail. The downside... its not a quick easy to change thing... upside... theres no knots to get tangled.

Hope it makes sense /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[bumblefish]

Very clear cut!
here , more opinions than a big brother equal opportunities meeting! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[MoodySabre]

One of the esteemed forumites has previously suggested that, after securing with bowlines, the two sheets should be laid alongside each other, facing opposite ways, and whipped together for a few inches so that there is a continuous rope and nothing to snag on.

I've been meaning to try it but you know how it is.

 

[capt_courageous]

The neatest way I have seen made by using one 'rope' to form 2 sheets. Fold it in half, pass the loop thro' the cringle and then pass both ends thro' the loop. Pull it tight and whip if you feel it is necessary.

 

[alec]

I overcame the problem by buying a heavyish boat that carries it's way well through tacks.

'ard over pretty quick, bare away , luff up , wind er in, fall off.

And now the best bit - no winching at all !

 

[Jonny_H]

Thats the way its done on 99% of racing dinghies - very effective!

Jonny

 

[paulm299]

Whip an eye at the centre of the Jib sheet and use a SS shackle to join the sheet to the Jib . Easy to remove when necessary and no Knots .

 

[Jonny_H]

Shackle could be dangerous - imagine it flayling around on the clew of the jib when on the foredeck ... it will also scratch the mast on every tack as it passes by.

 

[Clyde_Wanderer]

Thanks everyone for some good ideas, which I will try.
Mind you I dont like the idea of a shackle flailing about, which could give a sore one on the noggin.
Snowgoose, did I not see you on the Fairlie roads yesterday? or is there another Snowgoose?

 

[alan17]

My sheets used to snag on the baby stay. I whipped the sheets together an inch or so from the bowlines. No further problem.

 

[Malcb]

Thjat's the way I do it. I was shown this method on a J80.

I've posted this method on the forum before; and guess what,


it's been completely ignored.


It's simple and it works /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

Seen the whipped sheets methid used lots, and it seems to work well.... I just can't bring myself to fit sheets in a way that means they can't be removed quickly without a knife.... so like your idea, where the bowlines still let the sheets be removed quickly

 

[bluedragon]

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The neatest way I have seen made by using one 'rope' to form 2 sheets. Fold it in half, pass the loop thro' the cringle and then pass both ends thro' the loop. Pull it tight and whip if you feel it is necessary.

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That's the way I do it, but it doesn't solve the problem. The sheets still snag on the forward lower shroud. However you attach them there's still a "V" of sorts where they attach to the clew. Big overlapping genoas (like mine) don't help either. What does work is to let the headsail back and use the wind to bring it over rather than the sheet. I'd really like to find a better way of avoiding this myself, so will be interested in what others have to say.

 

[Searush]

Take the single long sheet & form a small loop in the centre. Whip the Port & Starboard sheets together in parallel to make the loop permanent. ie. lash "vertically" at bottom of loop below;

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Then use a lanyard to lash the loop to your clew using several turns finished with a couple of half turns.

This is easily untied, or if you feel the need to cut it urgently, it is cheap & easy to replace the lanyard. The sheets present a nice smooth surface to the baby stay or any other obstruction and will not snag. AND there is no shackle to poke your eye out or split a lip when you go head to wind to drop the genny.

 

[Lakesailor]

What a load of whingeing Minnies. Every time I post this method someone comes up with this old chestnut. I've not been scalped yet and it passes nowhere near the mast on my boat. Besides, I use an alloy caribiner and I shouldn't thinks it's any heavier and virtually no more rigid than a whipped sheet (which I used to use). If it clouts your ear you'll be more carefull next time.
God Bless Health and Safety

The shrinkwarp insulation sleeve helps as well.
As someone else said, the easiest way around it is to back the headsail as you tack and then release when there is a pressure on it which pulls the sheets around.

 

[Keith 66]

Seize an eye in the jib sheets then seize a short tail piece of stiff three strand to the first seizing. Poke the eye through the cringle in the sail and put the short tail through the eye, hey presto it is locked, its an old workboat trick but works beautifuly it is easy to undo when changing sails and is cheap as chips, plus no metal to bash you round the ear!

 

[ccscott49]

Oh! and a effin big stainless cringle whizzing by isnt dangerous and wont scratch the mast?
On some bigger boats, the jibs are so big, they have a block attached to the clew and double sheets, now that is painful an effin big block whacking you on the head, I know!

 

[lenseman]

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The shrinkwarp (sic) insulation sleeve helps as well.

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I trust that the sheets are wired to the 16th Regs and were PAT tested before use and does the fact that you have two earths mean that they are Protective Multiple Earth (PME) circuits to protect against lightening strikes whilst at sea ( or on Lake Windermere even)?? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

ps: I prefer Shrinkwarp to shrinkwrap /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Very neat. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif