Jmg85
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Has anyone any experience with these boats? Sailing capabilitys, speed, problems etc. I'm thinking about purchasing one but can find very little info online about them.
Jeanneau rush
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V1701
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Hi & welcome! Might help if you tell us a bit more about your experience, plans, etc. Is it to race, cruise, bit of both? Very respected designer (Ron Holland). I had a later Tony Castro designed Sun Dream - that was quick enough but more cruise oriented. I looked at a Rush as well at the time, definitely more racey. Same things to look at as with any boat of similar vintage - overall condition of the hull, then main expensive items for age & general condition - engine, sails, standing rigging, bunk cushions, canvas work, all of which are major expense items to factor in if they need replacement but you probably know all this already (surveyor by recommendation if not & they don't usually inspect engines with any more than a cursory look over). Have you looked at anything else, its a real buyers market & there are bargains to be had so would look at anything within your price range plus at least half as much again asking price that might suit your intentions. Take your time & go & see loads of boats, there's a lot of sheds around but also some really good ones that are well worth the effort seeking out. All very general but hope some of that helps & happy hunting...
Mrnotming
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Hi JMG85,
I agree with v1701.
Its horses for courses.
If you want to go for some good racing, the Club Shamrock by Ron Holland is the Irish and maybe South African built version.The South Coast boatyard supplied the finished yachts to a high standard.A beautiful teak interior by a notable, Killian Bushe Sr. crafted these.Suprisingly good in rough conditions, when reefed down, they were good at winning pots, at cruising, but the owner of a Westerly would have his or her pants scared off by the flightiness of the vessels.
Spinnaker handling needed 4 sheets and dipping the pole with babystay snapped back to the mast was "de rigeur".Rudders failed from too many excursions given the materials, but if the boats became untameable downwind, a new rudder was the only safe option.
Club versions as opposed to Golden, seemed to gather more silverware, and were wheel steered (Cobra Pedestal)
The Rush 30 never seemed to have the same edge in upwind sailing as its forebear, but the rudder may have been sited (tiller) further back in the hull with a small skeg, to aid the inattentive helm.The interiors were typically French serviceable, rather than shipwright.
The Factory in Cork closed with the order book full, the problem being that 800 man hours were costed, but each finished yacht was taking 1200 hours to completion.
Our President at the time had one named "Corcomroe"
There is lots more history about, but to finish up I think there were two rig options on the french model and perhaps a deeper keel because it was iron, rather than the lead of many of the Club Shamrocks.
I agree with v1701.
Its horses for courses.
If you want to go for some good racing, the Club Shamrock by Ron Holland is the Irish and maybe South African built version.The South Coast boatyard supplied the finished yachts to a high standard.A beautiful teak interior by a notable, Killian Bushe Sr. crafted these.Suprisingly good in rough conditions, when reefed down, they were good at winning pots, at cruising, but the owner of a Westerly would have his or her pants scared off by the flightiness of the vessels.
Spinnaker handling needed 4 sheets and dipping the pole with babystay snapped back to the mast was "de rigeur".Rudders failed from too many excursions given the materials, but if the boats became untameable downwind, a new rudder was the only safe option.
Club versions as opposed to Golden, seemed to gather more silverware, and were wheel steered (Cobra Pedestal)
The Rush 30 never seemed to have the same edge in upwind sailing as its forebear, but the rudder may have been sited (tiller) further back in the hull with a small skeg, to aid the inattentive helm.The interiors were typically French serviceable, rather than shipwright.
The Factory in Cork closed with the order book full, the problem being that 800 man hours were costed, but each finished yacht was taking 1200 hours to completion.
Our President at the time had one named "Corcomroe"
There is lots more history about, but to finish up I think there were two rig options on the french model and perhaps a deeper keel because it was iron, rather than the lead of many of the Club Shamrocks.
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I know them well having sailed the shoal and deep draft versions. There was also a racing version which I haven't sailed . The hulls are not very heavily built but are reasonably strong. The plywood pad under the mast heel may colapse . I fixed that for a friend. Also the backstay fitting is prone to crack the counter. Fixed that too.
Sailing characteristics. Light boats so sail well in light winds. Terrible downwind in blow but that's to be expected from the IOR type of hull.
They will (both versions) broach if overpressed and there's nothing you can do about it short of enlarging the rudder (which I did).
Even dumping the main won't help.
I think they're good boats with roomy interiors that sail well enough. No Fulmars though...
Sailing characteristics. Light boats so sail well in light winds. Terrible downwind in blow but that's to be expected from the IOR type of hull.
They will (both versions) broach if overpressed and there's nothing you can do about it short of enlarging the rudder (which I did).
Even dumping the main won't help.
I think they're good boats with roomy interiors that sail well enough. No Fulmars though...
Spyro
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As well as what others have said. Boats of that age are now suffering from headlining droop and aged upholstery. Both expensive and a lot of work.
Aja
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We owned one for 5 years. Light boats as others have said but managable for a couple to cruise and for 5 or 6 to race. We didn't manage to race ours too successfully as we were light on crew, but others have.
Ours was a 1979 Jeanneau Rush 30' with standard keel. The others are the GTE and the Regatte which are totally different beasts - taller masts and deeper keels. They weren't successfully sold or marketed in the UK - lots went to Scandanavia and were also built under licence as the C&C30 (?) in the US.
The owners we sold to (and still current owner) sailed her round the UK (via Shetland) a couple of years ago so fairly robust boats.
I had a look at the Shamrock boats. They have a different (albeit similar) stern; coachroof and windows.
Regards
Donald
Ours was a 1979 Jeanneau Rush 30' with standard keel. The others are the GTE and the Regatte which are totally different beasts - taller masts and deeper keels. They weren't successfully sold or marketed in the UK - lots went to Scandanavia and were also built under licence as the C&C30 (?) in the US.
The owners we sold to (and still current owner) sailed her round the UK (via Shetland) a couple of years ago so fairly robust boats.
I had a look at the Shamrock boats. They have a different (albeit similar) stern; coachroof and windows.
Regards
Donald
Jmg85
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Cheers for the replys folks. It gives me a bit more insight what kind of boat they are.
I've sailed a leisure 23 for the past 15 years so fancy something with a better turn of speed. Will be mainly cruising and may start some club racing as it's something I never would of done on the leisure.
The rush seems like a decent enough boat which is good value at the moment. May even look at a shamrock to see what the difference is as there's one for sale at a similar price.
I've sailed a leisure 23 for the past 15 years so fancy something with a better turn of speed. Will be mainly cruising and may start some club racing as it's something I never would of done on the leisure.
The rush seems like a decent enough boat which is good value at the moment. May even look at a shamrock to see what the difference is as there's one for sale at a similar price.
Mrnotming
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All good points raised.
If its an MD7A offer on replacement to a new installation.
The rush issues mentioned also affect Shamrocks and the main bulkhead may have split at toilet door as a consequence of the original alu mast support collapsing crimping fashion.It should be now S/S with end plates welded on.As mentioned,the headliner will have various droopy bits so stay in a cool climate (no problem this year).
Masts kink at the speaders, so either plated reinforcements, or replace mast with through bar tangs, or find a bit of scrap mast and heaps of monel rivets and inert paste.
Some racing owners will have done all these jobs cheerfully, as they were rewarding, controlling entire fleets upwind, and sometimes down!
Five cew min for racing properly, three for white sail, two for safe cruising of which I did much to Uk and South of Ireland.Best day was trading in for a new 2020 drop in replacement engine and gearbox, the 7 deg downangle box from Volvo made this easy.
If its an MD7A offer on replacement to a new installation.
The rush issues mentioned also affect Shamrocks and the main bulkhead may have split at toilet door as a consequence of the original alu mast support collapsing crimping fashion.It should be now S/S with end plates welded on.As mentioned,the headliner will have various droopy bits so stay in a cool climate (no problem this year).
Masts kink at the speaders, so either plated reinforcements, or replace mast with through bar tangs, or find a bit of scrap mast and heaps of monel rivets and inert paste.
Some racing owners will have done all these jobs cheerfully, as they were rewarding, controlling entire fleets upwind, and sometimes down!
Five cew min for racing properly, three for white sail, two for safe cruising of which I did much to Uk and South of Ireland.Best day was trading in for a new 2020 drop in replacement engine and gearbox, the 7 deg downangle box from Volvo made this easy.
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Aja
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Just for info - I replaced the Yanmar Ysm12 which was underpowered to a 2GM20F. Does the Shamrock have double spreaders? The Rush 30 was single and no reported issues with masts.
Regards
Donald
Regards
Donald
Mrnotming
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Mrnotming
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Single mast spreaders on Club Shamrock.
Quite powerful small hydraulic backstay adjuster (stand alone) lever operated by David Carne Productions,Falmouth.
A lovely miniature piece of kit,repairable by any good hydraulics workshop.
I'd say that new Yanmar is just what a rush needs.
There was much bending of mast used to extract the last ounce of camber from the then Dacron North Sales supplied.
Looking down on a plan of the rigging it was obvious after a bit of head scratching that the forces (baby stay, coupled with the forces in the backstay, were enough to move the crosstrees forward perhaps six inches.
The cap shrouds were the forced into an angle change at the crosstrees, which these sought to resolve by angling backwards to compensate.The were at inboard ending s/s sockets which also tried to deform and dig into the mast sidewall.
some put rubber bumpers on the inner ends of the crosstrees, others angled cut and shortened the crosstrees, to give some relief and to allow a closer sheeting angle of the genoa.
All in all we gave them murder, spalling Hasselfors bottlescrews frequently and losing rigs under claims agains Hasselfors, which were somewhat successful.
I never lost the rig, but came close when the backstay came down around my ears!Rod riggging crevice corrosion was the culprit.
No more rod rigging about now.
Sails have improved so much now that the degree of adjustment is no longer necessary.
It will still be useful to move the centre of effort forward downwind.Method:let off backstay until forestay is hanging loose.Bowse down a spare halyard to a deck stemhead strongpoint.Tighten hard on the halyard.
Get all crew to perch on helm's shoulders, Wallace and Grommit fashion with Sheep! choke down spinnaker with downhauls.
Now watch your knuckles go white!
A half spinnaker is jolly useful as a small jib 3 can be left set for a quick drop and not too hard to pull in on the upwind leg.
Whatever marque you go for there's lots of tweaking possible.
I 'd love to do a bit again with the new sail materials, it must be like a rocket.
Read more at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?436897-Jeanneau-rush#fzoHXFYP7WTsvYA0.99
Quite powerful small hydraulic backstay adjuster (stand alone) lever operated by David Carne Productions,Falmouth.
A lovely miniature piece of kit,repairable by any good hydraulics workshop.
I'd say that new Yanmar is just what a rush needs.
There was much bending of mast used to extract the last ounce of camber from the then Dacron North Sales supplied.
Looking down on a plan of the rigging it was obvious after a bit of head scratching that the forces (baby stay, coupled with the forces in the backstay, were enough to move the crosstrees forward perhaps six inches.
The cap shrouds were the forced into an angle change at the crosstrees, which these sought to resolve by angling backwards to compensate.The were at inboard ending s/s sockets which also tried to deform and dig into the mast sidewall.
some put rubber bumpers on the inner ends of the crosstrees, others angled cut and shortened the crosstrees, to give some relief and to allow a closer sheeting angle of the genoa.
All in all we gave them murder, spalling Hasselfors bottlescrews frequently and losing rigs under claims agains Hasselfors, which were somewhat successful.
I never lost the rig, but came close when the backstay came down around my ears!Rod riggging crevice corrosion was the culprit.
No more rod rigging about now.
Sails have improved so much now that the degree of adjustment is no longer necessary.
It will still be useful to move the centre of effort forward downwind.Method:let off backstay until forestay is hanging loose.Bowse down a spare halyard to a deck stemhead strongpoint.Tighten hard on the halyard.
Get all crew to perch on helm's shoulders, Wallace and Grommit fashion with Sheep! choke down spinnaker with downhauls.
Now watch your knuckles go white!
A half spinnaker is jolly useful as a small jib 3 can be left set for a quick drop and not too hard to pull in on the upwind leg.
Whatever marque you go for there's lots of tweaking possible.
I 'd love to do a bit again with the new sail materials, it must be like a rocket.
Read more at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?436897-Jeanneau-rush#fzoHXFYP7WTsvYA0.99
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