Jaguar 22, sourcing new swing keel/ manufacturing one

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i'm currently watching a jaguar 22 swing keel boat on a certain well known auction site, i'm 21 and it'll be my first yacht/big dinghy with a little cabin. It's in reasonable condition as far as the hull is concerned except it's major lalw is it's swing keel, or lack thereof! i'm trying to price up rough costs before i jump feet first into an impossible project. So does anyone know where the best place to source something like this or how much getting a mild steel, 265kg 2200mm x 40mm x 400mm keel would cost to be made?
 
I believe the Jaguar 22 is the same boat as the Catalina 22 in the USA. If so, you might be able to get a new swing keel from Catalina. I think there is a Catalina parts site - Catalina Direct, I think - that might help.
 
You need to find a firm with flame cutting facilities for steel plate
As for cost, I'm guessing, but 300Kg of 40mm steel plate could be £150 to £200. There will be cutting, drilling and transport costs, I think I'd budget around £500, but someone else might know better. It might be best to speak to a firm's sales dept. and explain your needs. They can be very helpful, esp. in these slack times. They would also be able to tell you how to provide the outline shape, a paper profile might suffice.
AJS Profiles in the Midlands is one firm that does one-offs, but someone nearer to you might be better.
Don't ignore the desirability of chamfering the edges on the cut plate. If DIY, this will take some considerable effort.
The Jaguar Owners Assn. might have useful contacts.
 
Be carefull, unless you are very practical, it could cost a lot of money. For another design a guy got quoted up to £1500 for a 25mm 150 kg. galvanized plate. Are you sure it is mild steel? Could be cast. A second hand one (from a write off) would be best. And you still have to get some sails.
If you are practical and good with an angle grinder, it is possible. But the steel alone will cost you some hundreds of squids, apart from the handling probs( I was quoted €400 jut for a 25mm full sheet). I have a similar problem, and am fabricating a foil out of 4mm steel, then filling it with lead to bring it up to weight. I have extensive experience in fabricating, so not a prob. Plus, there is the issue of the attachment to sort out. Again, OK if you can do it, expensive if someone else.
Sound like you need to cultivate skillfull friends /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Or perhaps look for another project /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Andrew
 
that's the other thing i've looked at, making it a fixed keel and keep the weight the same, as the lead sat at the bottom will have a better effect on the counterbalance effec., by far the easiest option IMHO and something i've been toying with. By making the foil as wide is the centreboard box itself, i could bolt it in and fill with epoxy resin, then glass the rest of the underwater hole :s i take it you know the boat i'm on about /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif the sails shouldn't be too much of a problem, i've been scouring the internet and have found a suit that'll fit for not a huge amount... the cut of it is yet to be found out!
 
There is a lot of work to do/items to buy for that boat. You might be better off looking for a boat that is complete within your existing budget.

For example this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Skipper-17-Sailing...%3A1%7C294%3A50

Having said that this buy it now price is much higher than I would pay. The best Skipper 17's (and indeed most of them) are twin keel. The engine is too small. The trailer looks odd. It should be braked to carry the weight.

I know I have gone off your question but I was just trying to give you an example of what else is around.
 
At least the Hunter has the sails, you don't need to obtain and fit a keel and you don't have to replace the foresail furling gear. That lot could cost you the opening price of the Hunter £995.

The other consideration is where are you going to keep your boat. A bilge keeler or a lifting keeler is cheaper to moor as you can get a swinging mooring that dries. A mooring for a fixed keel boat will be more expensive.
 
Here is a Jaguar 22 at a reasonable price.

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F209620

Sounds as if she is in reasonable condition, ready to sail. You could always explain your broke etc. and offer say £1000 and see what the sellor says. Unless you get the other one for next to nothing it would end up costing as much as this one, and you would loose this years sailing. Have you looked at boats for sale on the boatsandoutboards site? It is a better source than Ebay.
 
there are masses of old Jaguar 22's around - the Alacrity 21/650 (or somethi8ng similarly named) was the earlier version of the same boat
likely to be much cheaper to buy another old one and salvage the keel from it rather than fabricate a keel
the other key thing is ensure it has a trailer as expensive to buy separately
 
i like the sound of that very much! i agree with you on the cost, i've not been able to find hide nor hair of a keel or another jaguar 22 being scrapped at the moment so i think i will give the ebay one a dodge (unless it goes for the 10 pound max bid i've got on it atm and then just scrap it for parts...) bugger it....... BANK MANAGER!!!!!!!
 
Hi,

I replaced the keel of a Jaguar 22 a few years ago.
Here is a link to an article I wrote about doing just this, including drawings etc :-
Jaguar 22 keel

Good luck with whatever you choose.

Steve
 
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