Jaguar 22 keel stub-urgent help pls

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Have been advised by another forumite, that there might be a problem with sagging bottoms around keel stub.

Anyone else with information, which will confirm this is a problem & how common?
 
Jag 22

I don't know the boat but very much doubt that you would have problems with the hull adjacent to the stub keel. If that is what you mean. if as I imagine there is a stub keel with ballast out of which the centre board swings then this will normally take all the weight of the boat when on a trailer or aground. Any lack of strength here would see the keel push up with catastrophic results when on a trailer. This area then is liely to be the most strengthened part of the hull bottom. So any more details or description? olewill
 
William_H said:
I don't know the boat but very much doubt that you would have problems with the hull adjacent to the stub keel. If that is what you mean. if as I imagine there is a stub keel with ballast out of which the centre board swings then this will normally take all the weight of the boat when on a trailer or aground. Any lack of strength here would see the keel push up with catastrophic results when on a trailer. This area then is liely to be the most strengthened part of the hull bottom. So any more details or description? olewill
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This is the only info I have -

"Tell your chum to be very careful about the hull bottom; I've seen 2 lift keel examples with the keel pounded concave into the ( underbuilt ) hull, and other forumites have mentioned the same.

If it's not too late, try starting a thread 'Jaguar 22 lift keel' or similar."
 
I'm the one who warned Alant.

I saw 2 lift keel Jaguar 22's on different occasions, both had the hull sagging down around the keel like a pudding, it looked like the result of time rather than a single incident.

To get the picture, imagine if the hull wasn't cured and was left resting on the keel stub; completely concave, hopefully some surveyors with experience of the type will be along, the snag is the boats are generally too cheap to make a surveyor worthwhile.

Of the 2 I saw, one was at Wilson's Boatyard Hayling Island, the other at Emsworth marina; quite a few years ago now.

I'm a qualified engineer and so was the chum ( and boat owner ) I was with on the first occasion, who looked like he might be sick !

I mentioned this to an experienced friend in Scotland, he'd seen the same.

I don't like saying ill of any boat, but felt I had to pass on what I saw...
 
jag 22

Hi I had a jag for a number of years.The keel swung up under the hull like a penknife blade.If I remember right there was a small grove for the aft edge of the keel to rest into.It presented no problems.What was of major concern was the keel bolts.This was very poor altogether.The head of the bolts with no washers are glassed into the hull and I know of one case were they pulled out and keel fell off.(not mine as I had rectified them)
 
cid said:
Hi I had a jag for a number of years.The keel swung up under the hull like a penknife blade.If I remember right there was a small grove for the aft edge of the keel to rest into.It presented no problems.What was of major concern was the keel bolts.This was very poor altogether.The head of the bolts with no washers are glassed into the hull and I know of one case were they pulled out and keel fell off.(not mine as I had rectified them)
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Any idea, what the approx cost of new sails might be for a J22?
 
Distorted hull

If the distortion of the hull with weight on the keel was the only problem I would not be so afraid of that. it should be fairly easy to reinforce the hull on the inside with resin and extra ribs. Assuming the area is accessible under the floor. The type is built here in Australia by a different name but that doesn't mean that the build strength is the same as I have never heard of such problems. The distortion might get the price down if you are looking to buy. good luck olewill
 
I have seen the same sagging too, and also hull distortion around trailer supports. They are of a very light build, compared to similar boats. Also, with regard tot he keel I was aware of the pivot bolt being an issue too.

It is difficult to reinfoce the hull as the boat uses a full hull liner.
 
Well, I've got a J22 and I looked at another couple when I bought it earlier this year and didn't see any sagging bottoms. Mine has twin skegs so it lies on the trailer on 3 legs effectively.

I float the boat onto the trailer with the keel up until the two skegs are resting in the right place then I lower the keel a couple of inches so its resting on the trailer as well.

I imagine if the J22 has no skegs and trailer has bunks which are at the wrong height then I guess there will be some stress when towing it around if you're not careful.

The issue with the keel bolts is well known I think, and I'm planning on taking mine apart over the winter period to make sure everything is ok.

As far as the boat is concerned generally, I'm more than happy. I've only dinghy sailed before this year, so I have little to compare against but I see myself sailing the J22 for quite a few years before I change to anything else.

Not sure about the price of the normal sails, but I had a almost unused cruising chute included when I bought the boat which cost £336 in 2008.
 
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