I've been doing a bit of research

Searush

Searush

Well-Known Member
Joined
14 Oct 2006
Messages
26,779
Location
- up to my neck in it.
back2bikes.org.uk
I\'ve been doing a bit of research

I can get a barrel of 205 ltrs of Gas oil at 42p/ltr for domestic heating purposes. This could easily be transported to the coast in 50ltr containers and decanted into the boat tanks. Provided I have a receipt for a duty paid top-up at the start of the season it would be very difficult to prove how much had been used.

Of course it would be illegal tax avoidance and the penalties would be severe if caught. Bloody hard job to catch everybody tho' I expect.
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

[ QUOTE ]
can you get petrol also ???????????

If so,i'll have a couple of barrels :-)

[/ QUOTE ]

You mis-understood, this is not a special deal - it is the current cost of domestic heating red diesel. You may find it difficult convincing anyone that your boiler runs on petrol. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

Just be careful. Domestic heating oil is not the same as red diesel. Domestic heating oil is Kerosene and won't agree too well with your diesel engine. Red diesel is commonly called heavy fuel oil ( I think) but either way it's not the same. You're right, my heating oil at home is about 50 ish pence per litre but when I've enquired about red diesel they are much more reluctant to supply in small quantities to domestic users. If we can work it out it's a good idea. Just has to be red.

CD /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

Agreed - well done that man. Knew heavy fuel oil didn't sound right. Either way it's different !!

CD
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

Kerosene or tvo, tractor vapourising oil has a 28 sec burn rate, Diesel, gas oil, fuel oil or red has a 32 sec burn rate, both are used in domestic heating systems depending on the appliance. Road diesel usually diesel with out the dye, bits of crud from the tanks and with the added bonus of less sulphor and any other bits the petrol company wants to put in to convince you its better than their competitors.

Iv'e filled belezas tanks with heating diesel, red 32 sec same stuff as they sell in marinas but a lot cheaper. (being able to 1500 litres helped)
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

35 sec red diesel in 205ltr barrel can be delivered to your home at 42p/ltr. This is the same as Marine Diesel. You could buy TVO/ kerosene if you want, but I wasn't suggesting that, which is why I used the term Gas Oil.
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

[ QUOTE ]
I can get a barrel of 205 ltrs of Gas oil at 42p/ltr for domestic heating purposes. This could easily be transported to the coast in 50ltr containers and decanted into the boat tanks. Provided I have a receipt for a duty paid top-up at the start of the season it would be very difficult to prove how much had been used.

Of course it would be illegal tax avoidance and the penalties would be severe if caught. Bloody hard job to catch everybody tho' I expect.

[/ QUOTE ]

Wouldn't you have to cook the engine hours in your Log, and clock the hours counter on the engine temp gauge(if still wking?) as well?
4 windless trips to Le Havre in a season and still a 3/4 full tank might seem suspicious if someone selected you for audit?
The thirsty Eberspacher option mentioned in another thread looks less risky? Mind, another 'summer' like 2007 and it will be all heating use.
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

Not much research. More like catching up. Thousands have been filling boats up, with diesel from the heating oil man, for decades. He just comes round to your home/transport fleet/boat. With a truck with three or four tanks on. \kerosene for some, red diesel for others and white diesel.

The first thing to get established is. Will the marina/fuel barge, whoever. Fill a tank unattached to the engine. There is no reason why they should not do so. It's no different to driving round to the local fuel depot in your van, and getting a 45 gallon oil drum filled with red. Loads of folk do it every day. Builders/farmers, anyone with cement mixers, or stuff that does not run on the road.

Bit like getting a gallon of petrol for the lawn mower, from the garage.

It's apparently, according to the forum, not the job of the marina, to establish, whether your boat is private or not. Nor how much you need for heating.

It's how it works out in practice thats the problem.

Option 1/ I already have a spare tank (unattached) Marina fills that, plus (hopefully) my heating oil allowance in normal tank. If they want to know, the fuel in my spare tank in the boot, is for my mate who's fishing boat has run out. Or I want it for my cement mixer, whatever. Theres nob reason to refuse. But they might.

Plan B. Bit more awkward but should be foolproof. Tank at home, or call round to fuel depot near boat, with 45 gallon oil drum. Two if need be.

See no reason why I have to keep reciepes, as a private individual, the reds the same. The fuel will be paid for by my partner, who does not have a boat.

Plan C. My local garage sells red. Unfortnately it'a 310 miles from the boat. Buy a 4x4 again and cart 3x45 gallon down.

Plan E. Buy a diesel lawn mower.
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

[ QUOTE ]

Wouldn't you have to cook the engine hours in your Log, and clock the hours counter on the engine temp gauge(if still wking?) as well?

[/ QUOTE ]

That has already been covered here. Who is to know whether you have been bimbling about or going at full chat. One burns little fuel, the other lots, so engine hours mean nothing.
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

What log? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
There is no legal requirement to keep a log of engine hours on a private leisure vessel is there? Passage planning notes can be pretty basic. I keep no formal records of distance sailed/ motored. If I say I've only pottered around the Straits it would be hard to prove I've been to Ireland or IoM wouldn't it? Especially if I haven't bothered to radio a report to HMCG.
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

I've seen some reports(RYA mag, PBO, etc,) that the Dutch & French fiscal police have already pulled yachts over with legal red diesel in the tank and fined them.

The French did it for the red in the reserve jerrycans apparently. The Dutch pull got sorted eventually, the French case may be ongoing.

I can see some jobsworths lurking in Cherbourg or Den Helder, asking for your receipts as per " your RYA'S advice to you" and " may we see your records of fuel consumption for sailing and heating as per your HMRC's requirements, Sir". If that polite! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

I suppose it depends where you want to sail to. After all Jersey is going to be selling red to all and sundry, including visiting French, while Guernsey's marine diesel will be white.

I see a right enforcement free for all shambles in the making, so I'm gonna keep me receipts, put entries in the little box in me Log for engine hours, and just tip the deep fryer oil into me tank occasionally on a dark night, just like Sir Richard B.

Will I get a knighthood too, d'ye think? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Got to go, SWMBO reminding me we leave for the boat sparrowf**t tomorrow, to put monkey(son) up the stick in F6+ /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Ah, revenge for all those nappies?
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

[ QUOTE ]
If I say I've only pottered around the Straits it would be hard to prove I've been to Ireland or IoM wouldn't it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Wrong Searush. They've got that one covered as you will have to file an eBorders form if you wish to leave UK shores. IoM and RoI are both outside the UK.
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

IIRC, from the 'bottom' as it where:

Crud

Bunker Fuel (used by older ships and suchlike)

HFO (Heavy Fuel Oil) Used by some large plant and for space heating in old factories and Large Nurseries.

MFO (medium) Ditto - more widely used.

LFO (light) - Not used much but as above mostly space heating and process.

35 second Oil - Diesel and Red.

28 second oil - Kerosene, Avgas, Avtur etc. - Yes your average airbus runs on super refined heating oil!

Petrol and other top level aromatic hydrocarbons.

Also in the mix there will be things like Napthalene and all the distillates used to make ethylene and so on.
 
Re: I\'ve been doing a bit of research

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
If I say I've only pottered around the Straits it would be hard to prove I've been to Ireland or IoM wouldn't it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Wrong Searush. They've got that one covered as you will have to file an eBorders form if you wish to leave UK shores. IoM and RoI are both outside the UK.

[/ QUOTE ]

/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Yeah, right. have you ever tried "reporting in" in RoI? They just didn't want to know last time I tried. when I finally got through via phone I was told, "That's OK sir, have a nice holiday" Paperwork - who cares was the attitude. IoM is part of British Isles any way so I am not leaving my own country am I? Maybe there are "jobsworths" where you sail, Irish Sea tends to be a bit more sensible.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

Top