It's a different world in MOBO land.

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It\'s a different world in MOBO land.

I just had a peak on the MOBO side of things and saw a thread about fuel prices. Can you imagine filling up with 1600 litres, even at 50p/litre!!!!!! I wonder how long that will last. Money really must be no object if you can afford to pay that just on the fuel.

I am however going to get some French Windows installed on the back of my boat so people can see how warm and cosy I am when it's raining.
 
Re: It\'s a different world in MOBO land.

It's just different viewpoints.

The penniless drummer may also look out from the quay side with envy at you in your Yacht wondering how you can afford to buy a yacht and pay the mooring fees.

mikebees from the Yachting Monthly's Scuttlebutt says "yob in a RIB or a snob in a power boat"

Friendly lot aren’t you. Ask a lock keeper who the are generally friendlier yachts or motors and the reply is motors as the yachts "seem to be above everyone else"

Bring on the revolution eh brother?!!?
 
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[ QUOTE ]
wondering how you can afford to buy a yacht and pay the mooring fees.

[/ QUOTE ]I can't - but do anyway.

How many more like me out there?

It ought to be available on prescription, like prozac, which I suspect I'd need if I don't have the boat, though arguably the side effects are more severe...
 
Re: It\'s a different world in MOBO land.

I have a foot in both camps as it were; at work we have a large RIB with 90hp engine, which I regularly take groups out in; usually in Wales. My own boat is a very traditional clinker built yacht. I will admit that sailing is the greater love but enjoy the RIB too.

What's important to me is to respect the sea and the other people out on it irrespective of whatever they happen to be in at the time I encounter them.

As someone with miles and years of experience I've seen bad behaviour by users of all types of boats as well as incredibly generous, helpful, courteous behaviour from all types of users. It's not the boat type that determines the way of things it's the person in charge of the vessel!

All IMHO, of course, I think it's attitudes that need changing rather than regulations, etc!
 
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Afraid it's a case of getting used to it. We moved to the Med 3 yrs ago where of course marine diesel is the same price as road fuel and my first fill up cost £900 ( I hid the credit card slip from my wife!) and whilst I can afford it, money is certainly not 'no object'. It's a discretionary purchase just like any boating expense which I choose to make but it does mean that other discretionary purchases are not made
 
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The post was not a dig at MOBOs and no offence was meant. It was just an astounded comment at how much fuel can be put into a MOBO and how much it can cost. How big a boat do you need to have to load 1.5 tonnes of fue and how far can you go on itl? I also wasn't commenting on seamanship or courtesy and didn't intend to fuel the debate/rivalry/camaraderie/jealousy/banter between motor and sail. It was NOT a troll. Sorry if it put any backs up or it made people feel defensive.

I still want some patio doors though. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Re: It\'s a different world in MOBO land.

cool...

We are a sensitive lot you know. Probably due to the stress our wallets have every time we fill up!

I am actually one of the lucky ones as I can trawl along at 8 knots burning 1.5 Gals ph.

A few friends who burn considerably more are not out as much as they were. Those big Squadrons in the marinas may be making room for the smaller boats again if fuel goes up much more.
 
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re-fuelled last week at 40p a litre about £200 a go, did this twice in two weeks, went from Plymouth to Chichester via various places and back again. Ok there's marina and general boat running costs on top of this, but where can you go (other than on your yacht or my own dutch barge) for a two week holiday costing that. Also we can move when we want to not round tides.

What is also getting very costly are visiting marina fee's, £26 paid for one night, they marina guy went home before we knew where we were supposed to moor, no electricity or water, just a rickerty finger pontoon. & someone else's mooring at that.
 
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Did not the C/E on Comrade Aramovitch's superyacht fill up with 180ks worth of wrong spec fuel recently and then b''''''''d the engines? Bit of a blot on my old profession - we used to take samples as we loaded so we could tell if it was MDO or MFO
 
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Vagabond

As dralex says, this is no troll.

Do you think that when the fuel prices go up in the UK with the increased tax, that more mobo's will reduce to displacement speed, only go as far as East Head from Chi or Studland from Poole? Do you think that some people will just stay in the marina or even sell their mobo? If selling is the way that some will go, this will effect the market a fair bit wont it?

As some others have said, and for me, just the thought of putting 1600 ltrs of fuel in the boat at what will be close to £1 ltr is scarey!
 
Re: It\'s a different world in MOBO land.

I doubt that it'll reduce the speed but it may reduce to cruising range.

The cost of the fuel over a year has not been a big percentage of the upkeep of a MOBO but it's the reality hitting home each time that you fill up that may get a little wearing to say the least.

I can see a few people making a switch to sail while others may decide it's just not worth it and choose another hobbies or downsize. It's the bigger old Fairline 40's and 50's style boats are the ones that I would guess will be really hard to sell on as these are the ones that are so thirsty. The smaller 30 footers will probably be Ok.

Semi-displacement/displacement boats may become popular due to their frugal use of fuel which would be good for me as I could put the extra cash towards a 12mtr Dragonfly!
 
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Let's say the cost of fuel goes fron 50p/litre to £1. What percentage increase is that in overall costs to the owner of a typical 30-40 ft flybridge cruiser? I suspect that when you set it alongside the cost of capital tied up in the boat, marina charges and insurance it's not going to be all that much.

In the long term it may curtail longer trips but I doubt it'll have any significant effect of sunday traffic in the solent. After all, the price of road fuel has risen inexorably but every Audi TT still goes past at 90+ on the motorway!
 
Re: It\'s a different world in MOBO land.

Although the subject has been done significantly elsewhere it's a good point given the 100% increase in fuel cost over the last 18 months (could pick it up for around 21/23p now a 'bit' higher!)
I for one have changed my habits a little, and that goes for my driving too! However I don't think that the fundamental dynamics have changed but aren't creating new behaviours yet -
1. many boats don't go further than Studland from Poole; large or small. Even more are used as floating caravans and have been for more than 2 years!
2. dispacement speed for small boats (5-6m) is 4 knots or so and anything above this will be less fuel efficient than planning at 15 or so.
3. Larger boats, and diesels particularily, will get opened up on the way accross the bay under the guise of doing them good (rightly or wrongly).
4. those going further than Studland are probably the ones represented on these forums.
5. speaking personally if the fuel went up to current pump prices, or worse for marine distribution, and low cost airlines remained then I would be moving the boat to Spain as I live near Gatwick and taking car fuel costs getting to Poole and accomadation etc into account the balance would be swung - and my boat is very fuel efficient (1nm/l at around 15/20 knots but is a pretty useless caravan!)
 
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I thought about the boat to Spain issue.

The problem is the flights, 2 hours at the airport before you even get to step on it and by Sunday evening they are delayed as well.
 
1600ltrs

As I was the person who put in 1600ltrs @ 48p, to which you probably refer, let me answer your query.

I grew up sailing and did so for the first 25 years of my life, and indeed still do so often. I have a mobo as it suits mine and my familes lifestyle at present.

The vessel holds 2500 ltrs and I pay what I have to, to fill up. Most mobo's have heard about the imminent loss of derogation and are aware that the price of diesel oil will go up... imo its inevitable.

On full tanks @ 25knts it consumes 90ltrs per engine per hour. I get approx 13hrs cruise ~ 325nm without reserve... shocking I know

There is relatively little difference in consumption between 18knts and 27, but a substantial increase over 27 knts, and over 32 it doubles for each extra knt.

The up side to this however is that I can do what I've just done this weekend. Leave Portsmouth @ 5am Sat morning and anchor in the Dart @ 9.30am for a late breakfast. Spend a fab weekend with friends and family and leave the Dart @ 4pm sunday and moor up at home by 8.30pm.

Couldn't do that in a sail boat.

So how long will I continue to pay those prices..... no idea. Obviously money is never no object, and I would consider my options if the price rose to 85ppl. Like most hobbies, I see this as a discretionary purchase. I would rather pay 25ppl but I choose to spend what money I do have this way.

Who knows.... if the price went to 85ppl I may sell up and go sailing and laugh at those who spend £2,000 each time to fill their tanks.
 
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Perhaps a MOBOist could answer a question? Had to motor accross to Cherbourg recently (no wind). Trip is 100 miles from the Exe. Made 6kts in a 33 ft boat displacing 6 tons. Used 10 galls, which I had bought at 30ppl, so cost about £13.50. Crew and I were wondering how much it would cost to cross in a comparable Mobo and whether to cost was worth the time differential. How much would it cost?
 
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see above post.

it took you over 16hrs.... it would take ave mobo 4 hrs.

So is the extra cost worth it? If you only have the weekend to spare then obviously yes. If one had a whole load of time, then one could cross at 6knts too and the cost would be not too dissimilar bearing in mind displacing 20tons etc..
 
Re: 1600ltrs

I think the sentiment was intended to sympathise with you ... we "filled up" on Sunday - a wacking £14 (2 months worth 2/3rds tank) at >50p/l !! ... for these small volumes it doesn't have a significant impact on our boat use, but I recall seeing a couple who thought the 9l tank I was filling up was for the tender ... and that amount would take them to Cowes from Chichester - and they didn't have a particulaly big motor boat ... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif As much as I do not like motorboats (generalised, personal pref and I do see the plus side and if money was no object etc etc) I sympathise as the increase in fuel prices at this rate will soon become a significant part of expenditure.
No, I couldn't contemplate putting 1600l of fuel in the boat (it would sink!!) at todays prices - £800 ... eeeek!! Still, new sails, winch handles and taking a day to get to the same desitination you get to in an hour or so, balances it out somewhat.....
 
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