Is there such boat in the real world?

[cmedsailor]

….something really fast, strong, all weather, ocean going etc, etc like a Volvo Open 70 or an Open 60 but in a smaller size (around 40ft) that will not cost a fortune (or maybe two fortunes) and will be short handed?
I am really wondering whenever I see those mega-missiles travelling around the world so fast.

 

[lustyd]

Probably not - those race boats are not designed to keep going around, just to win the current race/record/challenge. If they were, they would be slower

 

[rotrax]

….something really fast, strong, all weather, ocean going etc, etc like a Volvo Open 70 or an Open 60 but in a smaller size (around 40ft) that will not cost a fortune (or maybe two fortunes) and will be short handed?
I am really wondering whenever I see those mega-missiles travelling around the world so fast.

Our boat meets all of your criteria bar the first. To meet the first it would need to lose 3/4 of its weight and then would not meet the others! Unfortunatly it was ever thus.

 

[flaming]

….something really fast, strong, all weather, ocean going etc, etc like a Volvo Open 70 or an Open 60 but in a smaller size (around 40ft) that will not cost a fortune (or maybe two fortunes) and will be short handed?
I am really wondering whenever I see those mega-missiles travelling around the world so fast.

Class 40. Original design concept was that there would be de-tuned cruising versions of the boats - with features like fixed backstays, interiors etc. And in fact the French, who are a little bit more accepting of that sort of thing, have built more than a few such boats.

 

[lustyd]

Class 40. Original design concept was that there would be de-tuned cruising versions of the boats - with features like fixed backstays, interiors etc. And in fact the French, who are a little bit more accepting of that sort of thing, have built more than a few such boats.

But were the cruising versions as fast? I would assume (perhaps wrongly?) that they also switched to GRP rather than carbon for the cruiser so only the shape would remain constant. More than likely a different rig etc as well?
I don't know any of this but if I'm right surely it's better to get something designed for the purpose rather than designed for totally different purpose then converted? For weekend racers perhaps the conversion would be more acceptable but surely to go around the world while not racing something designed for the purpose would suit better?

 

[cmedsailor]

….something really fast, strong, all weather, ocean going etc, etc like a Volvo Open 70 or an Open 60 but in a smaller size (around 40ft) that will not cost a fortune (or maybe two fortunes) and will be short handed?
I am really wondering whenever I see those mega-missiles travelling around the world so fast.

Perhaps I should add "something really fast but in relation to a 40ft vs 70 or 60". I mean I wouldn't expect a similar speed to the Volvo Ocean rocket but let's say instead of the usual 7-8 knots of a typical 40ft something let's say 12-15 knots.

 

[jamesjermain]

12 to 15 knots?... Probably not but as another poster has said, the French have produced 'production' open 40s which are still very fast and have competed in relevant races, often as their own class. The one that springs to mind is the Pogo 40 which has a surprisingly good interior which you could use for hairy cruisiing, yet has all the go faster goodies of a 'proper' Open 40. You won't win in an open class and, of course, they are optimised for off-wind sailing but they are a hell of a lot of fun and not too expensive.

 

[flaming]

But were the cruising versions as fast? I would assume (perhaps wrongly?) that they also switched to GRP rather than carbon for the cruiser so only the shape would remain constant. More than likely a different rig etc as well?
I don't know any of this but if I'm right surely it's better to get something designed for the purpose rather than designed for totally different purpose then converted? For weekend racers perhaps the conversion would be more acceptable but surely to go around the world while not racing something designed for the purpose would suit better?

Well they obviously weren't as fast. If taking out the interior, adding additional sail area and a bit more draft with a bit less ballast didn't make the racing versions faster....

http://www.finot.com/bateaux/batproduction/structures/pogo12/pogo40_ang.htm

Class 40s outlaw carbon in the hull so hull is the same. The rig is the same section, but is more conservatively rigged - e.g. fixed backstay and a main that clears it, not twin backstays and a square top.

Other Class 40s offered different keel options, and slightly more fitted interiors for their cruising options.

 

[temptress]

Other Class 40s offered different keel options, and slightly more fitted interiors for their cruising options.

I like the Pogo 40 and have often though I would like one.......

There are others - saw some Crusing boats that looked like they were based on Open 50s when I was in NZ a few years ago. Can't remember the builders but they looked fast yet has cabins

 

[temptress]

….something really fast, strong, all weather, ocean going etc, etc like a Volvo Open 70 or an Open 60 but in a smaller size (around 40ft) that will not cost a fortune (or maybe two fortunes) and will be short handed?
I am really wondering whenever I see those mega-missiles travelling around the world so fast.

take a look here http://www.owenclarkedesign.com/CruiserRacer46

just searched the web and found this.....

 

[Sybarite]

….something really fast, strong, all weather, ocean going etc, etc like a Volvo Open 70 or an Open 60 but in a smaller size (around 40ft) that will not cost a fortune (or maybe two fortunes) and will be short handed?
I am really wondering whenever I see those mega-missiles travelling around the world so fast.

http://www.pogostructures.com/galerie-multimedia/pogo-1250/

 

[flaming]

take a look here http://www.owenclarkedesign.com/CruiserRacer46

just searched the web and found this.....

"Whilst a lightweight hull form was not on the agenda here,"

Indeed not - over 10 tonnes on 46 foot is pretty beefy, and certainly not equivalent to the Pogos etc.
This is a more traditional cruiser racer, that would be a competitor of X-Yachts etc, not a speedster of the open type.

For what it's worth, I think this is probably the most interesting cruising boat on sale at the moment.
http://www.goweryachts.co.uk/index.html

 

[snooks]

Pogo 40 as others have mentioned or the how about a Legend?

It's a Legend Jim, but not as we know it....The Hunter HC 50! There was one was at Southampton a few years ago, she sailed across the Atlantic to be there, not made any more though... here's a downloadable pdf

50 ft, water ballast, gimballed nav station, based on the hull of Hunter's Child

 

[Signed Out]

For what it's worth, I think this is probably the most interesting cruising boat on sale at the moment.
http://www.goweryachts.co.uk/index.html

Bloody ugly though! Interesting to see those rails on the hull, but otherwise looks like that trailer sailer the teenager did the Atlantic in a couple of years back- kind of iffy Polish style design aesthetics fitted with all the toys as a 1st year design student would play with- trim tab, carbon tele sprit, twin rudders, canting t-keel (?)n and a stem like some random eighties design- wet? (Hence the name also?). As for the interior; woof.

 

[Seajet]

Bloody ugly though! Interesting to see those rails on the hull, but otherwise looks like that trailer sailer the teenager did the Atlantic in a couple of years back- kind of iffy Polish style design aesthetics fitted with all the toys as a 1st year design student would play with- trim tab, carbon tele sprit, twin rudders, canting t-keel (?)n and a stem like some random eighties design- wet? (Hence the name also?). As for the interior; woof.

MrJemm,

just had a look and I tend to agree; I don't think I've ever seen a design with 'weed etc please wrap around' written in such large letters !

 

[cmedsailor]

I am wondering if the biggest J yachts could be an answer. The J 133 (43ft) looks promising.

 

[flaming]

MrJemm,

just had a look and I tend to agree; I don't think I've ever seen a design with 'weed etc please wrap around' written in such large letters !

I'd tend to agree. With the caveat that it would take a lot of weed to slow it down enough for an AWB to catch up!

 

[flaming]

I am wondering if the biggest J yachts could be an answer. The J 133 (43ft) looks promising.

I know people with a 133 that they race and cruise. It's a lovely boat, and pretty quick, but it's still a displacement boat, it won't get up and plane like a Class 40.

if you expect to sail upwind most of the time, you'd prefer the 133, but if you expect to be going downwind, especially in the heavy stuff, the Class 40 will be quicker and less hairy.

 

[rwilson]

Have you looked at the azuree 40 fast cruiser, not a pogo by any means, but perhaps better if you wanted some creature comforts?

 

[snowleopard]

I met a young family from Fremantle in a boat they had built themselves. It was basically an open 40, very flat with a broad stern and a dagger board with bulb. It looked pretty fast but definitely not in the 12+ knots class.

If you want that performance in a cruising boat I think the only solution is 3 hulls. My previous boat was 39 ft, 3.5 tonnes and capable of reaching at a steady 14 knots. Weight reduction was everything - drill holes in your toothbrush handle!