Modulation
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It's a bit of a conundrum. But I'm likrely to be in this position in a few months time. The question is: Whose ensign do I fly?
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irishman living in england boat moored in france
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bob_tyler
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Owned by an Irishman - Irish Ensign
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Koeketiene
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Re: irishman living in england boat moored in fra
Rubbish!
Nationality of the owner has (often) nothing to do with the with the nationality of the owner or skipper. If this were the case everyone in Liberia would own at least 2 or 3 supertankers.
It's up to you really; if Irish registration is the same as UK reg, you could apply for Irish registration (in wich case you would fly the tricolour). As a EU citizen resident in the UK you are also entiteled to apply for UK registration. Part III (SSR) is very straightforward and cheap. In this case you would fly the red ensign.
French registration requires French residence, so I guess this is out for you.
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Rubbish!
Nationality of the owner has (often) nothing to do with the with the nationality of the owner or skipper. If this were the case everyone in Liberia would own at least 2 or 3 supertankers.
It's up to you really; if Irish registration is the same as UK reg, you could apply for Irish registration (in wich case you would fly the tricolour). As a EU citizen resident in the UK you are also entiteled to apply for UK registration. Part III (SSR) is very straightforward and cheap. In this case you would fly the red ensign.
French registration requires French residence, so I guess this is out for you.
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bob_tyler
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Re: irishman living in england boat moored in fra
I sit corrected.
Didn't think of that. Suggest he doesn't wear the skull and crossbones though.
Bob
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I sit corrected.
Didn't think of that. Suggest he doesn't wear the skull and crossbones though.
Bob
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Sea Devil
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Re: irishman living in england boat moored in fra
But I think UK citizen resident abroad is not entitled to UK registration - seems unfair or am I wrong? Wrong about registration I mean.
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But I think UK citizen resident abroad is not entitled to UK registration - seems unfair or am I wrong? Wrong about registration I mean.
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Koeketiene
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Re: irishman living in england boat moored in fra
The way I read it, as long as you are a British citizen, and are somehow "established" in the UK you are entitled to Part IIII registration.
So, if you pay (or have paid) taxes, draw a UK pension, etc... you're sorted.
More info: http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/msf4701.pdf
In particular -> notes 3 & 4 should make everything "clear".
<hr width=100% size=1>Experience is a good teacher, but she sends in terrific bills.
The way I read it, as long as you are a British citizen, and are somehow "established" in the UK you are entitled to Part IIII registration.
So, if you pay (or have paid) taxes, draw a UK pension, etc... you're sorted.
More info: http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/msf4701.pdf
In particular -> notes 3 & 4 should make everything "clear".
<hr width=100% size=1>Experience is a good teacher, but she sends in terrific bills.
Sea Devil
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Re: irishman living in england boat moored in fra
Thanks for the site - yep went there - still think that unless you are resident in UK you may not fly the red ensign. As I read it paying tax there is not enough....
Where is the cheapest place to have a flag of convienience?
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Thanks for the site - yep went there - still think that unless you are resident in UK you may not fly the red ensign. As I read it paying tax there is not enough....
Where is the cheapest place to have a flag of convienience?
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Stemar
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Re: irishman living in england boat moored in fra
I don't know if you could get French registration or not, you might want to avoid it as they have legally binding categories of boat, and to go x miles offshore you need a certain level of equipment and a bit further, more equipment - big fines for non-compliance or for being too far offshore for you registered category.
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I don't know if you could get French registration or not, you might want to avoid it as they have legally binding categories of boat, and to go x miles offshore you need a certain level of equipment and a bit further, more equipment - big fines for non-compliance or for being too far offshore for you registered category.
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Sea Devil
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Re: irishman living in england boat moored in fra
Easy to register in France but do not want to - for reasons you stated.
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Easy to register in France but do not want to - for reasons you stated.
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Modulation
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Re: irishman living in england boat moored in fra
Yanita
Thanks for this well-argued reply.
I think I'll stick with my UK registration based on your analysis!
Brendan
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Yanita
Thanks for this well-argued reply.
I think I'll stick with my UK registration based on your analysis!
Brendan
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Sea Devil
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Re: irishman living in england boat moored in fra
Yanita argues well <So, if you pay (or have paid) taxes, draw a UK pension, etc... you're sorted.>
but I think the other 50% is residency - not citizenship - unless you are actually resident (in the main residence more than 90 days per annum meaning) then you cannot fly the British Ensign -
Thats how I interpret it.........??????????
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Yanita argues well <So, if you pay (or have paid) taxes, draw a UK pension, etc... you're sorted.>
but I think the other 50% is residency - not citizenship - unless you are actually resident (in the main residence more than 90 days per annum meaning) then you cannot fly the British Ensign -
Thats how I interpret it.........??????????
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ashley
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Re: irishman living in england boat moored in fra
Where is it registered at the moment and what's wrong with leaving it that way?
I've had mine registered recently in the UK (at my parents address) and as far as i'm concerened it can stay that way for the duration of the part 1 registration, which is five years.
Where i become resident over the next five years is then irrelevant as long as the boat is registered to a valid address.
Registering in France where i will probably end up residing is pricey, as you need to become resident, then meet the relevant tough requirements and then you'll get taxed every year on the boat as part of your "wealth tax"
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Where is it registered at the moment and what's wrong with leaving it that way?
I've had mine registered recently in the UK (at my parents address) and as far as i'm concerened it can stay that way for the duration of the part 1 registration, which is five years.
Where i become resident over the next five years is then irrelevant as long as the boat is registered to a valid address.
Registering in France where i will probably end up residing is pricey, as you need to become resident, then meet the relevant tough requirements and then you'll get taxed every year on the boat as part of your "wealth tax"
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Sea Devil
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Re: irishman living in england boat moored in fra
Ashley hi,
I agree with all you say and do but in fact you have to tell a 'porky' on the renewal form -
I do not understand why this rule exists........
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Ashley hi,
I agree with all you say and do but in fact you have to tell a 'porky' on the renewal form -
I do not understand why this rule exists........
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