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IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander?
IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander?
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IOR late 60's to early 70's boats for single-hander.
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oldsaltoz
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
Van der Stadt made some of the strongest and faster racer cruisers back then and many are sailed single handed today. noted for high pointing and comfort in blow.
Having sailed/raced one for many years I would be hard pressed to select anything else, just take one for a day sail and worry about the weather.
Keep the ends light for improved performance, use a flattening reef in the main if over 16 knots and partial battened main. You will need a 1, 2, and 3 jib, never used the storm jib even in the worst conditions, handles heavy and confused seas very well.
Avagoodweekend......
Van der Stadt made some of the strongest and faster racer cruisers back then and many are sailed single handed today. noted for high pointing and comfort in blow.
Having sailed/raced one for many years I would be hard pressed to select anything else, just take one for a day sail and worry about the weather.
Keep the ends light for improved performance, use a flattening reef in the main if over 16 knots and partial battened main. You will need a 1, 2, and 3 jib, never used the storm jib even in the worst conditions, handles heavy and confused seas very well.
Avagoodweekend......
Aeolus
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
I believe that he is Lithuanian.
I believe that he is Lithuanian.
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Chrusty1
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
If you haven't seen this, I thought it might help in your research for a boat??
http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives.htm
If you haven't seen this, I thought it might help in your research for a boat??
http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives.htm
purplerobbie
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
Nicholson 32 and 31 (31 might be a bit out of your budget)
Rival 34 and 32 and 31
Rob
Nicholson 32 and 31 (31 might be a bit out of your budget)
Rival 34 and 32 and 31
Rob
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Chrusty1
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
I follow your thinking, the only trouble is, a lot of what you get back from here will be inevitabley very subjective, for instance, I would point you at a Vancouver 27 / 28, but that is just my opinion, a 32 would be even better, but probably they are still holding a good price, and a bit outside your budget?
Mind you, as the recession starts to really bite, who knows?
I follow your thinking, the only trouble is, a lot of what you get back from here will be inevitabley very subjective, for instance, I would point you at a Vancouver 27 / 28, but that is just my opinion, a 32 would be even better, but probably they are still holding a good price, and a bit outside your budget?
Mind you, as the recession starts to really bite, who knows?
oldsaltoz
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
G'day Kiwiauck,
Quote. <<< Being Australian, I thought you would mention the S&S 34, which every man and his dog seems to sail on long distance voyages. >>>
About 15 years ago a good friend purchased an S&S 34 hull and deck, I spent several months working in my 'spare' time doing 50%++ of some of the small jobs; like designing and wiring the whole boat, 60% of the fit out and we also made our own lead keel. I also did all the thru' hull fittings and mist of the plumbing including limber holes and mod's to the anchour locler and it's drain. I backed off when it came time to install the engine, though I did construct the engine mounts.
One area I was not happy with was the keel box arrangement, it looked a bit flimsy to me and I wanted to strengthen it up but owner assured me it was fine; soon after launching and during her maiden race she glanced a bombie and did some serious damage to the keel box, I spent over a week repairing it. It would have taken maybe two days if done when I wanted to.
Six months later I was the appointed Navigator and Tactician aboard for the Brisbane to Gladstone race, considering the crew on board we did well and passed a few boats we thought we not see soon after the start.
Hoever, after the race the rest of the crew departed leaving the owner and his wife plus a bloke who said he had some sailing experience. We left the next morning around 10 to take advantage of the tidal flow and all was going well. Then the breeze of about 15 knots on a reach turned to a tail wing closer to 40, at this point the bloke with some sailing experience got very very sea sick and had to be put behind a lee cloth to stop falling onto the floor every 10 minutes; the owners wife was not at all experienced in steering in any conditions so that left 2 of us to run the boat, our only possible anchorage out of the wind and swells was at least 10 to 12 hours away on a very dark and stormy night. No GPS and very few lights along this part pf the coast till you reach Mackay just south of the Whitsunday Islands.
This was the night I discovered to my horror what a pig this thing was to steer downwind in a large following sea; the concentration required to make a safe passage and avoid broaching was intense, 45 to 90 minutes was about the maximum either of us managed, we never had a broach but came closer than is considered comfortable many times.
About 0500 hrs we arrived at our safe anchorage (19 hrs) had a good size rum and hit the bunks, the sea sick bloke decided to get out of his bunk about 15 minutes later and was clomping around the deck bagging wet head sails? Then we heard a shout and big splash, yes he fell overboard and a sail bag with him; we rushed up on deck and boat hooked the sail bag first, well it was sinking, then him.
Now, having sailed Van der Stadt 9 and 10's in the same and worse conditions let me this, it was a so much easier and never looked or felt like going pear shaped.
The only other 'out of control' small boat I ever sailed was a Holland 30 with an oversized spinnaker, with 4 very experienced sailors on board we could not prevent it broaching.
See link below with a few Van der Stadt's to look into.
web page
Avagoodweekend......
G'day Kiwiauck,
Quote. <<< Being Australian, I thought you would mention the S&S 34, which every man and his dog seems to sail on long distance voyages. >>>
About 15 years ago a good friend purchased an S&S 34 hull and deck, I spent several months working in my 'spare' time doing 50%++ of some of the small jobs; like designing and wiring the whole boat, 60% of the fit out and we also made our own lead keel. I also did all the thru' hull fittings and mist of the plumbing including limber holes and mod's to the anchour locler and it's drain. I backed off when it came time to install the engine, though I did construct the engine mounts.
One area I was not happy with was the keel box arrangement, it looked a bit flimsy to me and I wanted to strengthen it up but owner assured me it was fine; soon after launching and during her maiden race she glanced a bombie and did some serious damage to the keel box, I spent over a week repairing it. It would have taken maybe two days if done when I wanted to.
Six months later I was the appointed Navigator and Tactician aboard for the Brisbane to Gladstone race, considering the crew on board we did well and passed a few boats we thought we not see soon after the start.
Hoever, after the race the rest of the crew departed leaving the owner and his wife plus a bloke who said he had some sailing experience. We left the next morning around 10 to take advantage of the tidal flow and all was going well. Then the breeze of about 15 knots on a reach turned to a tail wing closer to 40, at this point the bloke with some sailing experience got very very sea sick and had to be put behind a lee cloth to stop falling onto the floor every 10 minutes; the owners wife was not at all experienced in steering in any conditions so that left 2 of us to run the boat, our only possible anchorage out of the wind and swells was at least 10 to 12 hours away on a very dark and stormy night. No GPS and very few lights along this part pf the coast till you reach Mackay just south of the Whitsunday Islands.
This was the night I discovered to my horror what a pig this thing was to steer downwind in a large following sea; the concentration required to make a safe passage and avoid broaching was intense, 45 to 90 minutes was about the maximum either of us managed, we never had a broach but came closer than is considered comfortable many times.
About 0500 hrs we arrived at our safe anchorage (19 hrs) had a good size rum and hit the bunks, the sea sick bloke decided to get out of his bunk about 15 minutes later and was clomping around the deck bagging wet head sails? Then we heard a shout and big splash, yes he fell overboard and a sail bag with him; we rushed up on deck and boat hooked the sail bag first, well it was sinking, then him.
Now, having sailed Van der Stadt 9 and 10's in the same and worse conditions let me this, it was a so much easier and never looked or felt like going pear shaped.
The only other 'out of control' small boat I ever sailed was a Holland 30 with an oversized spinnaker, with 4 very experienced sailors on board we could not prevent it broaching.
See link below with a few Van der Stadt's to look into.
web page
Avagoodweekend......
PuffTheMagicDragon
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
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The parameters: Early IOR design between 30-35 feet l.o.a wanted for:
*sailing in the rough lattitudes
*singlehanded
<span style="color:red">*budget to buy boat: 15-22K sterling</span>
*not worried about cramped interiors, so 5'8" -6' headroom max ok. Don't need anymore.
*tiller steering, or at least able to convert the wheel to tiller
*robustly built
*powerful, but not overtly radical rig, hence early IOR.
*Available UK or Continential Europe
*GRP
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must be able to stand up to a darn good blow and keep bashing to windward without pounding too severley, while being a good all round fastish sailer (for the era anyway).
Oh - and quite important is the lines and look of the boat. Who wants to sail an ugly boat
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Without any hesitation I would shout CENTURION 32!! But then I am biased. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
The only hiccup might be the budget, unless you are very fortunate in your search.
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The parameters: Early IOR design between 30-35 feet l.o.a wanted for:
*sailing in the rough lattitudes
*singlehanded
<span style="color:red">*budget to buy boat: 15-22K sterling</span>
*not worried about cramped interiors, so 5'8" -6' headroom max ok. Don't need anymore.
*tiller steering, or at least able to convert the wheel to tiller
*robustly built
*powerful, but not overtly radical rig, hence early IOR.
*Available UK or Continential Europe
*GRP
....
must be able to stand up to a darn good blow and keep bashing to windward without pounding too severley, while being a good all round fastish sailer (for the era anyway).
Oh - and quite important is the lines and look of the boat. Who wants to sail an ugly boat
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Without any hesitation I would shout CENTURION 32!! But then I am biased. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
The only hiccup might be the budget, unless you are very fortunate in your search.
oldsalt
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
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Vancouver 27 / 28, but that is just my opinion, a 32 would be even better, but probably they are still holding a good price, and a bit outside your budget?
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Having sailed old IOR boats and Vancouver 27's and 32's... there is no comparison. The Vancs are better built inside, but sloooow, especially to windward.
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Vancouver 27 / 28, but that is just my opinion, a 32 would be even better, but probably they are still holding a good price, and a bit outside your budget?
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Having sailed old IOR boats and Vancouver 27's and 32's... there is no comparison. The Vancs are better built inside, but sloooow, especially to windward.
Pasarell
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
I used to have a Hustler 35. 1973 IOR 3/4 tonner. Big cockpit, cramped (but adequate) interior. Bullet proof masthead rig. Fantastic seaboat. Not too many around but should be well within your budget unless someone has already spent a fortune on it. I'm a little biased but it seems to tick all your boxes.
Good luck in your search!
I used to have a Hustler 35. 1973 IOR 3/4 tonner. Big cockpit, cramped (but adequate) interior. Bullet proof masthead rig. Fantastic seaboat. Not too many around but should be well within your budget unless someone has already spent a fortune on it. I'm a little biased but it seems to tick all your boxes.
Good luck in your search!
oldsaltoz
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
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<<< Do you have a specific Pioneer you would seek if you were planning long distance single-handed offshore sailing in rough latitudes?>>>
First let me say no one should sail single handed because no one should have that much fun on their own.
I avoid single hand sailing on longish trips because I don't like the idea if sleeping under sail or motor with no watch on deck. Indeed most of my single handed trips have been to pick up crew.
As for choice of boat, for me personally I would have a very close look at a Vander Spirit 28' for single handed longish trips, mast head rig, good layout and just a good all round comfortable craft.
Having sailed one on many occasions over a period of years I found it comfortable, reliable, good in a blow and low cost to maintain. good cockpit space and layout with just enough height to duck behind when a big green one decided to come over the top. The only downside was the engine and access to it, a Bukh with saildrive, the next owner ended up ripping it out.
Avagoodweekend......
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<<< Do you have a specific Pioneer you would seek if you were planning long distance single-handed offshore sailing in rough latitudes?>>>
First let me say no one should sail single handed because no one should have that much fun on their own.
I avoid single hand sailing on longish trips because I don't like the idea if sleeping under sail or motor with no watch on deck. Indeed most of my single handed trips have been to pick up crew.
As for choice of boat, for me personally I would have a very close look at a Vander Spirit 28' for single handed longish trips, mast head rig, good layout and just a good all round comfortable craft.
Having sailed one on many occasions over a period of years I found it comfortable, reliable, good in a blow and low cost to maintain. good cockpit space and layout with just enough height to duck behind when a big green one decided to come over the top. The only downside was the engine and access to it, a Bukh with saildrive, the next owner ended up ripping it out.
Avagoodweekend......
earlybird
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
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Old Salt: "This was the night I discovered to my horror what a pig this thing was to steer downwind in a large following sea; the concentration required to make a safe passage and avoid broaching was intense, 45 to 90 minutes was about the maximum either of us managed, we never had a broach but came closer than is considered comfortable many times".
..................... But is this not true of most if not all of the early IOR boats I mention in my initial posting? Would they not all be somewhat of a challenge downwind with the prevalent pinched end sterns?
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I think that you are right in suggesting that most boats would be a handful downwind in 40 knots. I also think OldsaltOz is perhaps rather harsh in his criticism. I can't say I've done what he describes, but I've owned my 34 for 6 years and found her handling an all-round delight. A bit rolley downwind, yes, but tendency to broach, not really. The hull is very well balanced. Comment from others is that the 34 is one of the better boats when pressed downwind, but of course, like any thoroughbred, needs good sail-balance.
The fact that the 34 holds many single-handed, high latitude circumnavigation records, including non-stop for 50,000 miles both ways indicates that it can't be too bad to steer. Like-wise, being still in production must say something for a 40+ year old design. I'd love to buy a new one, but, at only 39 years, my present one still has lots of life left. Incidentally, it's nudged the bottom once or twice, but the keel's still there!
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Old Salt: "This was the night I discovered to my horror what a pig this thing was to steer downwind in a large following sea; the concentration required to make a safe passage and avoid broaching was intense, 45 to 90 minutes was about the maximum either of us managed, we never had a broach but came closer than is considered comfortable many times".
..................... But is this not true of most if not all of the early IOR boats I mention in my initial posting? Would they not all be somewhat of a challenge downwind with the prevalent pinched end sterns?
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I think that you are right in suggesting that most boats would be a handful downwind in 40 knots. I also think OldsaltOz is perhaps rather harsh in his criticism. I can't say I've done what he describes, but I've owned my 34 for 6 years and found her handling an all-round delight. A bit rolley downwind, yes, but tendency to broach, not really. The hull is very well balanced. Comment from others is that the 34 is one of the better boats when pressed downwind, but of course, like any thoroughbred, needs good sail-balance.
The fact that the 34 holds many single-handed, high latitude circumnavigation records, including non-stop for 50,000 miles both ways indicates that it can't be too bad to steer. Like-wise, being still in production must say something for a 40+ year old design. I'd love to buy a new one, but, at only 39 years, my present one still has lots of life left. Incidentally, it's nudged the bottom once or twice, but the keel's still there!
Mrnotming
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
Hi Kiwiauck and others,
In European waters, I think the Holland 30 might equate to the Ron Holland Shamrock 30 footer.The Club Shamrock has a superior teak interior,(South Cost Boatyard CO Cork Harbour )and the others more or less tend towards the spartan if functional. Strongly built, at this stage a rough one would eat up many hours of DIY and give great satisfaction. Re-engine might be done by now, if not it affects the asking price greatly. Rod rigging should also have disappeared and been replaced by less exotic wire. Hydraulic backstay tensioner is strong enough to bend the boat and can induce bend in the propshaft, let it off before using the engine.Lovely cruising boat when well reefed does not broach and is a wizard to windward.Having invested all your time in checking over the Edson steering system and rudder gland security, you can then cruise and go and win some local races, perhaps even a half-ton cup, which event pops up again every so often. Carter 30 impressed me too, but there were DIY fitouts as well.S&S 30 is slower to wind up than the Shamrock, but built to an earlier rule of IOR and is a steadier ride and tiller steered. Very high quality finish, Albin Petrol engine may have been replaced, lives under centre saloon table.
Good sailing to all.
Hi Kiwiauck and others,
In European waters, I think the Holland 30 might equate to the Ron Holland Shamrock 30 footer.The Club Shamrock has a superior teak interior,(South Cost Boatyard CO Cork Harbour )and the others more or less tend towards the spartan if functional. Strongly built, at this stage a rough one would eat up many hours of DIY and give great satisfaction. Re-engine might be done by now, if not it affects the asking price greatly. Rod rigging should also have disappeared and been replaced by less exotic wire. Hydraulic backstay tensioner is strong enough to bend the boat and can induce bend in the propshaft, let it off before using the engine.Lovely cruising boat when well reefed does not broach and is a wizard to windward.Having invested all your time in checking over the Edson steering system and rudder gland security, you can then cruise and go and win some local races, perhaps even a half-ton cup, which event pops up again every so often. Carter 30 impressed me too, but there were DIY fitouts as well.S&S 30 is slower to wind up than the Shamrock, but built to an earlier rule of IOR and is a steadier ride and tiller steered. Very high quality finish, Albin Petrol engine may have been replaced, lives under centre saloon table.
Good sailing to all.
bryantee
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
A rival meets all your specs.not the fastest not the prettiest. but built like 24hour protection???, 31, 32. 34 .36. 38 41.take your pick.prices from 15k to 90k.
A rival meets all your specs.not the fastest not the prettiest. but built like 24hour protection???, 31, 32. 34 .36. 38 41.take your pick.prices from 15k to 90k.
ShaunG
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Re: IOR late 60\'s to early 70\'s boats for single-hander.
I have a golden shamrock, if you would like to know more then give me a shout
Regards
ShaunG
I have a golden shamrock, if you would like to know more then give me a shout
Regards
ShaunG