Ionian rant/rave/report

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Some people hereabouts (me included) do powerboating, and sailing too. For us, this means that we’ll rent a sailboat and if we find another yacht going in vaguely the same direction, we’ll tighten all the sails up and blam past them with extreme leaning over, engine on if necessary secretly blasting away on their blind side and out of earshot at moderately decent 8+ knots. Hee hee. Anyway, here’s how we got on in the Ionian.

The Ionian.
…is a gang of islands and sea on that bit of Greece to the west of the main bit of seaweedy looking greece on the chart, below Corfu which is Ionian but up in the north on its own. Using Preveza airport (charter flight) the sailing base we went to is actually on in an inland “sea” so even when lots of wind no big waves. Mainland on the east, Levkadas on the north-west, Cephallonia to S of Levkada with the island of Ithaca… partially encloses an area full of big and little islands 40 milesish N-S by up to twenty E-W, plenty for a week or two of sailing.

Sunsail
Main qualification is a credit card. If the card clears, you’re in. Yachtmaster? Day skipper? ICC? Nah, no checks on skils or whether you know a spinnaker from a big billowing sail thingy at the front…er well anyway.

The briefing
Sunsail are dead keen on briefings. Of course, you need to be shown round the boat. But they have briefings every blimmin morning if you take the flotilla option- which is why we didn’t. Mrs S went to first flotilla briefing day 1, while I went to other briefing for bareboats, till both realised they are simply reading out the pilot book, and then off we went. There’s lots of depth all over the Ionian, even 20metres from the rocks, said the chappie at the briefing. Well that’s us off the hook then.

The standard boat is 32 feet long, but that won’t do at all. You need autopilot for nipping down and finding beer whilst underway, electric windlass, in-mast furling, plenty of space and no kipping in the saloon unless falling over after heavy session…means an upgrade to 40+ footer is comfy for 4, a 45+ footer for 6.

Sarky sunsail
Most of the Sunsail staff very good and helpful. But a few are supercillious in the extreme, and swagger about. Eg our outboard conked out. Engineer came over, twiddled, pumped thru fuel, pull pull for ages, eventually fired it up, but then “Lesson on how to start an outboard” speech. Look matey we’ve had loads of outboards, none this flimsy, just fix it, there’s a good chap. 400 yds it conked out again with no fuel. However, after we rescued two of their boats with plonker skippers gently wafting up to the beach and another left someone on board – but who hadn’t a clue about how to move the boat - “Put the engine on!” “I don’t know how to!” …perhaps one can see why they feel so superior.

Staff also assume that everyone else is as skint as they are, and hence they refer to white plastic sparsely-equipped charter ragboat as utterly amazing piece of equipment, which , to be fair, if you’re a student I suppose it is. Eventually, after yet another reference to vast cost of various items of rigging and sails, quietly explained Mrs S’s earrings are worth more than the poxy boat, so shut up .

Now part of First Choice group, Sunsail is rather at the limit of charging as much as poss, hiring staff who’ll take crap money, not having strong enuf management on site to enforce standards properly, nastiest charter airflights with tighest 28”legroom, and sharp London prices at their onshore bars. Some of their staff need sacking or at least a bit of a kicking: their “ticking off” off clients (eg me) for not putting on a third spring isn’t necessary, and if they leapt into my boat uninvited as they did with others I’d tellem to sod off. And the dinghies should be pumped up more than once a season, not soggy on arrival. More serious is their own lack of safety sense – if staff want to halyard-wakeboard off the back of their lead boat it’s ok – but they need two people on board, not just one and the other messing about in the dinghy. The helm simply didn’t see other boats (including me) moving all over out of their way as they careered about at the entrance of a bay. Adrian and Hugh, that means you. Sure, Sunsail are big enuf to have good spares etc, but I’ll search other options more carefully next time, and as Adrian blurted at entire group, “you can always push the salespeople for a discount”. A real asset to the company eh?

I would recommend to avoid flotillas, whose interminable briefings might actually take longer than the tiny 5-8 mile daily trips they undertake, missing the best bits and just going to “favoured status” evening eateries where Sunsail staff eat and drink for free, but which otherwise nobody in their right mind would visit.

Where to go
Oct is off season, so all the cutesy small places are bit too quiet (or pretty much closed), but everywhere nice 26degrees in daytime and mostly sunny. However, nice force 5 day one so banged out to Fiskardo, picture postcard village on Cephallonia, and only harbour where water so clear I felt ok about the idea of jumping in for a swim. Again, off season all probly cleaner with fewer boats. Also all mooring is free in Octo, not so in high season, tho stil cheap. Vathi town on Ithaca island also recommended. Everywhere else either bigger and more action but a bit scruffy (Levkadas town and Nidri) or teensy, v cute, but bit deadish in Oct and can’t be exactly bouncing even in high season. Lots of beautiful coves for quiet overnight anchorages.

Bad points
If you’ve read about Greece , the word “unsophisticated” is used freely. This is an oblique reference to the worst thing abouttthe place which is ….you aren’t allowed to put toilet paper down the toilet, anywhere. Bluurgh. You have to put the toilet paper in a bin, no kidding, everywhere in Ionian anyway, dunno bout the rest . The bin isn’t emptied every four minutes, but praps every day, or every other day. You get very very particular at washing hands as often as possible. Or cholera, I imagine.

Greece is utterly knackered, halfbuilt, and not very well cleaned. No, the cheap prices don’t quite make up for it, they’re the excuse. Greece is very lucky to be close to Europe and sunny, otherwise it would be called Biafra or The Falklands With Mankier Sheep. The food is reasonable, provided that you pretend that the chef chose his/her profession yesterday, and makes Spain seem like a gourmet’s paradise.

In night-time bars, mice and cockroaches run around on the floors, and mangey stray cats patrol all outdoor restaurarants, and the loos…there’s the toilet paper rule again, bluurgh.


Good points
The weather is good, the water is warm, crystal clear in places, sometimes even in the harbours.

The prices are cheap. We took a grand to lash out on spends for a week, and brought 400 quid back: the moorings are free, and nightime meal out for four is under twenty quid, or fifty quid if you have the mega expensive fish with most expensive wine on the list option. Nagging money for kids is painless, as the games are 100dr a go = 20p, not 10 francs or a quid. Massive beers or huge G+T’s for 50p.

The Ioanian is a good place to sail, ok but probly not so good for powerboat IMHO– bit small crusing area– could cover the whole area in a day at 30 knots, not enuf facilites (fuel etc. and water mostly non-existent ) and not enuf to do onshore.

The Greek people are friendly, very jolly, very honest, no concept of ripping you off or suchlike. Our kids left expensive sunglasses in a bar, and returned an hour later and there they were. We asked a restaurant where we could buy bread, and they just gave us some free.

Memorable bits
We saw the recently-restored “Christina O” superyacht, once owned by Onassis, returning up the Ithaca channel en route to Skorpios, one the smaller islands, private, and bought by the late billionaire in the sixties. Dipped Greek ensign but it’s a Panamanian flagged boat now so no response…
We had some jolly good sailing races (sometimes even without our engines on) even against bigger boats.
On Sunday morning in Levkadas town, we saw the local band come down the street, attractive family-based lifestyle in small tight-knit community, as elsewhere.
We found some interesting people from all over, including a Finn with a new boat. “That looks very new”I said. “It’s 10 days old” he says v pleased, on his sparkly new 36 Dufour “and much bigger than the old boat too”. “How big was the previous boat?” I asked. “Well, that was a 36 too, but this is wider.” Hmm.


Would we go back? Er, not for a while. If we ever sold up and sailed around the world in big and utterly sorted sailboat with watermakers, aircons, etc etc, then we’d do Greece on the way around the Med. Until then, once every ten years is enough, until they fix the plumbing and the food. Praps I am a snob? Posssibly. At Gatwick, everyone we had seen during the week squeezed into old Sierras, Escorts or manky BMW’s (oops sorry couldn't resist that one) and trundled off to Wales, Liverpool, Lincolnshire where praps they wash out and re-use the toilet paper anyway....
 

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Quite agree with Sunsail rant. I did Dayskipper out there with Sea School, who I recommend. Everywhere we sailed there they were...rafted up in huge muddle of warps and fenders, full of loud shouty types. When ever they left port they always seemed to have someone puking up over the side. Some sort of tradition?

We had a fantastic trainer at Sea School. He was a retired ex SBS guy and new his stuff. Initially he thought we were all nerdy IT types but after we took him out, taught him how to make cocktails and matched him one for one he changed his opinion a bit. By end of the course we were all mates. He also found the right balance between teaching and relaxing so it didn't feel like a grueling holiday. Have to say the scenery and the sea was stunning though. The rest i.e. bars, restaurants etc absolutely terrible.
 
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Yep have got to agree about sunsail. About 4 years ago we found ourselves without a boat ( Late delivery of new boat) so finding ourselves with 2 weeks spare but no boat I booked a couple of weeks on a sunsail flotilla. It took some big persuading to get wifey on stick and rag boat in the first place, but when we got there to find 'classic' (i.e.Knackered) 36 footer with blocked loo,damp cabins,flat batterys and a water tank that leaked into the bilge (Bilge pump not working) if you filled it more than half full, she was not a happy camper.

Sunsail said no probs they fix- they did'nt. Ok new boat then-no sign of one.

Ended up dumping the boat and booking into a hotel.

Eventually got money back from Sunsail but never again.
 

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We used Odisious a couple of times.
Brilliant. "Theres the boat and that iron lump in the middle is the engine. Are you comming with us or sodding off on yer own"? "Err well thanks we'll just piss off on our own then".
Seriously they were great, just fun and no hastle.
We started from Guvia, Corfu which is a new marina and should be quite posh by now. Plenty of water and diesel on tap.
Down to Paxos which is a lovely lttle island with sort of a canal out of the sea and into the harbour.
Theres even good food there in a simple sort of way, and bacon and eggs for breakfast!
Then wandered down a few places to Levkadas. Which like Matt said is a bit grotty place but theres diesel there out of a sort of hole in the ground!!
But soon out of there and down among the islands.
Its not posh but what the hell who needs posh down there.
Drop the anchor and swim to the beach. Theres always a little taverna there. Which is most likely to be a welded frame with corogated iron on the roof and a few tables they got cheap from the cafe in Accrington. But its fun, the foods simple and you got to like greek salad with goats cheese on top and loads of olives You might get a lump of chicken or a chop thrown on if yer lucky, and a big lump of bread.
Must admit I liked it.
Would'nt be much good on a wet winters day but in 80Deg. what more do you want. And its hard to spend a tenner all night!!
Dont quite agrea with Mat. Theres loads of places to go down there with a motor boat.
Its all short hops down to Athens and then more hops to Turkey.
Must admit he's right about the toilet paper. It seems to be special sort of grease proof stuff that tries to uncrincle itself
when trying to aim it at the bin, which is now about half the size of the piece of paper. You then have the unenvial task of looking for an apropriate bit to put yer fingers on and fold it back up again. Under way it can get a bit messy!!
If yer into posh all the time the Ionions are not for you. But for simple fun in the sun and with a boat, its hard to beat.
Forget the flotilas, theres an island every mile or two so no navigating. Then wind go's the other way most of the time so not much sailing so just motor there and then sail around in circles just for the hell of it.
Met up with our flotila once and the leader said he hated the folk who just followed him around all the time.
Mind you there handy on the radio for all the fishing nets round the props, But thats a story I told earlier.

Haydn
 

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Well quite a rant really! Why don't you tell it like is really is? You obviously found it relaxing!

I can't comment much about Sunsail as I've never been on charter with them. I did have trouble with my windlass once and they were kind enough to come out and help, unasked. I do witness the morning briefings though. But for many of the people there, it is their first time navigating and maybe even sailing. They are normally short-handed with 2 adults and two kids. Many of them need that kind of handholding.

But as for the country and the sea area, I'm not sure what you were expecting and what kind of research you did. If you wanted lively clubs every night, just like the UK, then you were in the wrong country probably, wrong area certainly. Maybe if you wanted the same experience as home it might have been less hassle not going at all! :)

Greece is a very poor country and the islands have tourists for an increasingly short season. Rarely is there enough water (it often has to be boated in), and many other essentials besides. I agree that the food is er simple and often not very good. But there is so much more to compensate.

There are very few high rise hotels around the Ionian and the smaller bays haven't been ruined by yobs or over-development.

Diving into the warm clear water first thing is fab though I'm surprised you did it in Fiskardo - I've seen the drains open!

The loo-paper-in-bin habit is there for environmental reasons so that you dont need a machete when swimming. Unpleasant maybe, but sensible.

It's a beautiful place to be. Not sophisticated for sure. But that's what I, alongside millions of others, like about it.

FYI, about 2 million people died of starvation in Biafra in just three years. Mentioning it in the same paragraph as holidaying round the Ionian seemed a bit iffy.

Then again your whole post could just be a wind up....
 
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It wasn't a windup posting.

Visiting greece shouldn't be like visting the third world - they're our "european partners" non? And early civilisation. And planning a £38 million museum to take back the elgin marbles. Agreed all beautiful. The paper in loos is indeed for environmental reasons, the reason being that their plumbing is useless, and there isn't a single groups of building completed, anywhere.

No apology for political incorrectness I'm afraid - or have you donated all your holiday money to the starving whose names you invoke in order to make a point on your own behalf?
 

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oh dear Matts what a rant!

Perhaps you really should have stayed around St Tropez/Capri etc. where no doubt the bars see you as a VIP and treat you accordingly! Remember Greece is (I think still) the second poorest country in the EEC after Portugal and if you think Greek cooking is bad try some food there!

The Greek (Island) people themselves can't help most of these problems as the political system is probably second only to Italy in its ineptitude and a s you said they are some of the friendliest people around and although haute cuisine is almost unknown there are dishes to savour (eg. Kleftiko - if done properly is very slowly cooked goat meat although mostly lamb is used now and tastes fantastic, to me anyway)

There are only 50mm sewage outlets to properties so hence the toilet paper in the bin routine (and yes, it applies to all Greek Islands) but you get used to it and the easiest way to find a good restaurant is to check the loos first, if they're clean and the bin is not full then the kitchens are probably OK as well!

Please don't be put off by your experience this year as we have visited many of the Islands (Crete, Kos, Corfu, Cephalonia and Zakynthos to name the most common ones) and have always enjoyed our (non-boating) holidays there because of the history, culture and above all the welcome you get.
 
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Re: not VIP

It wasn't more or less than I had expected, I suppose, and indeed beautiful.

But I shd correct you regarding St trop - they certainly don't treat the likes of me as vip. Indeed, last time I tried to book a night there the sexy lady was on the radio. "I'm sorry sir your boat is not big enough to reserve"she says smirkily. "well, how big does it have to be to be satisfactory?" I said in sandy-faced inadequate voice. "21.5 metres". " right well I'll go and get one". Hence L23, only just inside the range, and almost the weediest boat that can stay in old port during july and august. Now, some people buy boats for all sorts of silly reasons....
 

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A long way from my boat! :(
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But is it still like that out there ?

Well you still can't put the bog roll down the bog! I have yet to get cholera!

A lot of places have 'livened up' much to the detriment of some of us. Some well known refuges now resonate to pop music till sun-up.

Greece is still broke as we all know, the Greeks are still welcoming ( a little less so if you are flying the German Flag ) , the food is still cheaper than home but not exactly haute cuisine but that's not what we go for.

In summer it's still hot as hell and in high season the place is crammed with pushy mediterranean types, the rest of the time the sun shines, the wind blows, the water is warm and clear and life goes on at a leisurely pace.
 

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Its a place that improves as you get to know it better. For private boat owners flotillas are still best avoided as skill levels of crews are a bit scary and can be a liability. The common quip is that if you can spell the word b o a t you get the keys.
Still unsophisticated (good) but once you get to know where to go, excellent dining can be found. North East corner of Corfu is one of the best areas for food.
If you want a thousand glorious anchorages to choose from in any direction, wall to wall sun, warm crystal clear water and friendly sunny natured locals - get there now.
 

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Love the original post great.

I was there 24 years ago as a Sunsail instructor... Only people that generally got treated with contempt were the know it all you cant teach me anything type. Yes I might have been a youngster but having sailed almost every weekend for 12 years and qualified Yachtmaster I probably had a bit more idea than most of the clients or Billys as we used to call them.. Pay was crxp but the parties were great so one made up for the other....

Last year had the pleasure to return on 85' motor yacht as skipper, the place hadnt lost any of its charm but improved in my opinion. my highlights.

Levkas now a great harbour and town to visit
Sivota one of my favourite anchorages, Yannis is still running his taverna
Meganissi lovely anchorage
Kiskardo Wow fantastic scuba diving. 2000 year old wreck...

I would go back tomorrow and the day after.....

I also though Gouvia in Corfu was great..
 

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Love the original post great.

I was there 24 years ago as a Sunsail instructor... Only people that generally got treated with contempt were the know it all you cant teach me anything type. Yes I might have been a youngster but having sailed almost every weekend for 12 years and qualified Yachtmaster I probably had a bit more idea than most of the clients or Billys as we used to call them.. Pay was crxp but the parties were great so one made up for the other....

Last year had the pleasure to return on 85' motor yacht as skipper, the place hadnt lost any of its charm but improved in my opinion. my highlights.

Levkas now a great harbour and town to visit
Sivota one of my favourite anchorages, Yannis is still running his taverna
Meganissi lovely anchorage
Fiskardo Wow fantastic scuba diving. 2000 year old wreck...

I would go back tomorrow and the day after.....

I also though Gouvia in Corfu was great..
 
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